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as far as it being a new design
The Hawkeye is a MK-II with stock redesign, steel floorplate and improved trigger.  It still has essentially the same MKII action, and even the new trigger is very close to the previous trigger geometry, so the "Hawkeye" isn't exactly a major redesign of the basic MK-II.
 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

as far as it being a new design
The Hawkeye is a MK-II with stock redesign, steel floorplate and improved trigger.  It still has essentially the same MKII action, and even the new trigger is very close to the previous trigger geometry, so the "Hawkeye" isn't exactly a major redesign of the basic MK-II.
 

...........The trigger pull and creep has been reduced with the new Ruger triggers. My Alaskan had a much better trigger from the box than did the trigger on my 2006 model year Frontier before the LC6s came out. I did change out the trigger on the Frontier. Went from the factory 5 1/2 lb pull with some creep down to a 3 lb pull with no creep! The bad Ruger trigger pulls of the past no doubt also contributed to some poor accuracy with the older Rugers too.   
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absolutely i agree with you there no doubt about it. i think they took the time to actually make something decent out of the factory for once there. to bad its not adjustable.
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I like the CDL better than the Ruger. I prefer the looks and I think the fit and finish is a step up from the Ruger, too. They are both solid choices.
........Depends on the barrel and stock finish one wants. The Browning X bolt Medallion for example comes with a shiny blued barrel and a shiny wood stock, while the standard X bolt comes with a matte barrel and a more dull satin wood finish.
 
Having carefully looked at both the Hawkeye and the CDL, while looking more elegant because of its shinier barrel and wood, the CDL imo, unless I`m missing something somewhere, does not necessarily have the better fit. I just don`t see where the better fit is to the CDL when compared to the new Hawkeyes. What is the definition of a better "fit?"
 
Are we talking about how the stock fits into the hands? The overall handling feel? Bedding differences? Quality differences? What does "fit" mean? 
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the whole aesthetics of the rifle. rugers are thick in the fore end and more blocky than the remingtons are. and i dont think rugers wood is any where near as good of quality as the remingtons is either.i dont know maybe im on glue too.


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MOST of the people that harp on the Ruger accuracy level blame it on the hammer foraged barrel.  Wait a tick, most mass produced rifles are hammer foraged.  I believe most of the bad rap for Ruger came from the trigger.  My M77 MkII came with a hideous 5.75lb pull.  After a trip to mr. gunsmith, we are at a beautiful 3.25lb with little creep and crisp break.  Have not had any trigger time with the new LC6 so I can not comment.
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I'm well aware that they make their own barrels and I believe that the one that my friend has in 280 has a Wilson barrel. I think that Ruger has been making their own for quite a while now, what at least 10 years or so?
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any who i think the 35 whelen is a fine choice, the .350 rem mag is as well!!
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the whole aesthetics of the rifle. rugers are thick in the fore end and more blocky than the remingtons are. and i dont think rugers wood is any where near as good of quality as the remingtons is either.
..........Rugers use walnut stocks on their Hawkeyes! Does Remy use a better grade of walnut on the CDLs? If you were to cut them both open and inspect them, where would the quality difference in the wood be between the two? 
 
Aside from the differences in external wood finish and the black fore-end tip which makes the CDL look richer than the Hawkeye (granted), what internal quality wood differences are there if any at all? Anybody know? If there are no major or useful internal wood grade differences, then its just a matter of external asthetics and personal taste.
 
A richer external look, does not necessarily mean a better wood quality internally, which cannot be seen unless cut open and analyzed.
 
  
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the cdl uses higher grade wood than the bdl does.

besides we were waiting for you to whip out a direct quote from one of your magazine articles to enlighten us all!Laugh
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Yes, back to BNB's question, how much do you think you will be using it?  Replace using the .30-06 as a primary or just a "because" gun that you will use when you want something different?  I would say if you have the itch, scratch it.  The .35 Whelen would be a nice addition to your group.  I do like Squeeze's suggestion of the .375 Ruger.  If you do reload, can load it lighter or run her full bore depending on your hearts desire.
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Originally posted by SD Dog SD Dog wrote:

MOST of the people that harp on the Ruger accuracy level blame it on the hammer foraged barrel.  Wait a tick, most mass produced rifles are hammer foraged.  I believe most of the bad rap for Ruger came from the trigger.  My M77 MkII came with a hideous 5.75lb pull.  After a trip to mr. gunsmith, we are at a beautiful 3.25lb with little creep and crisp break.  Have not had any trigger time with the new LC6 so I can not comment.
..........I agree with that! I`m certain that the bad Ruger triggers of the past was the largest single culprit for their past accuracy issues.  
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the cdl uses higher grade wood than the bdl does.

besides we were waiting for you to whip out a direct quote from one of your magazine articles to enlighten us all!Laugh
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OK! But how does the CDL wood compare to the Hawkeye wood,,INTERNALLY?? Unless one were to cut both stocks open, how would you know for sure? Just looking at them won`t tell anything.
 
Ruger uses the Circassian walnut on their $2K+ higher priced magnum model, so that`s an easy one to see. But the CDLs are only a little more money, if not comparibly priced to the Hawkeyes depending on where you buy. 
 
Anyone know specifically the "internal" wood grain differences between the CDL and the Hawkeye? How many different grades of walnut are there? 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the cdl uses higher grade wood than the bdl does.

besides we were waiting for you to whip out a direct quote from one of your magazine articles to enlighten us all!Laugh
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OK! But how does the CDL wood compare to the Hawkeye wood,,INTERNALLY?? Unless one were to cut both stocks open, how would you know for sure? Just looking at them won`t tell anything.
 
Ruger uses the Circassian walnut on their $2K+ higher priced magnum model, so that`s an easy one to see. But the CDLs are only a little more money, if not comparibly priced to the Hawkeyes depending on where you buy. 
 
Anyone know specifically the "internal" wood grain differences between the CDL and the Hawkeye? How many different grades of walnut are there? 
 

That all depends on the grain tightness/age and such! Each rifle stock would be different even if ran from the same stock of wood. Example the inside of the wood might have a tighter grain than the out side and if they are getting 4 rifle stocks from the same block they will be different.

 

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their are quite a few grades of wood, remington uses mostly american walnut, even on the custom shop stuff, its all a matter of what grade of fanciness you want.

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I've seen brand new 700 cdl, 35whelen rifles on G-unbroker for around $500.00.  What ever rifle you decide, the whelen is great.  Easy to load, cheap brass, light recoil, heavy punch.
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Originally posted by SD Dog SD Dog wrote:

Yes, back to BNB's question, how much do you think you will be using it?  Replace using the .30-06 as a primary or just a "because" gun that you will use when you want something different?  I would say if you have the itch, scratch it.  The .35 Whelen would be a nice addition to your group.  I do like Squeeze's suggestion of the .375 Ruger.  If you do reload, can load it lighter or run her full bore depending on your hearts desire.
.............Between the 35 (.358) and the 375 (.375), 17/1000 ths in bullet diameter isn`t much of a difference. The Ruger round can be loaded up or down as needed to SUITE recoil levels. It will superbly overlap in hunting duties with calibers from 338 to 400+ depending on the bullet and load used, and if needed, it is a flatter long ranged shooter with more down range energy than that of the 35 Whelen.
 
Brush, timbers, more open plains? With the 375 Ruger, you can have the Whelen cake and eat some too!
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I have a 700 cdl in 35 whelen and it is really accurate I personally like remington rifles I had a ruger model 77 in 280 and it wouldn't hold a group so I traded it and bought a 700 cdl in 280 and at a 100 yds it puts bullets about two inches high and you can place a quarter over the bullet holes and that is with factory 140 gr accutips.
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with remington factory ammo the .375H&H with a 270gr bullet is only about 35 fps faster and has less than 150ftlbs of energy more than the 35 whelen  with a 250gr bullet and their is about a foot difference in drop @ 500yds between the two. hardly a big difference, not that you would shoot either of them @ 500 yds any way
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

their are quite a few grades of wood, remington uses mostly american walnut, even on the custom shop stuff, its all a matter of what grade of fanciness you want.

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..........I read what you have posted, but no one really knows for sure how the Ruger std walnut grades used for the Hawkeyes stack against the Remy std walnut grades used for the CDLs.
 
 
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