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pyro6999
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as far as it being a new design
The Hawkeye is a MK-II with stock redesign, steel floorplate and improved trigger. It still has essentially the same MKII action, and even the new trigger is very close to the previous trigger geometry, so the "Hawkeye" isn't exactly a major redesign of the basic MK-II. Edited by pyro6999 - March/24/2009 at 09:56 |
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pyro6999
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absolutely i agree with you there no doubt about it. i think they took the time to actually make something decent out of the factory for once there. to bad its not adjustable.
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Having carefully looked at both the Hawkeye and the CDL, while looking more elegant because of its shinier barrel and wood, the CDL imo, unless I`m missing something somewhere, does not necessarily have the better fit. I just don`t see where the better fit is to the CDL when compared to the new Hawkeyes. What is the definition of a better "fit?"
Are we talking about how the stock fits into the hands? The overall handling feel? Bedding differences? Quality differences? What does "fit" mean?
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pyro6999
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the whole aesthetics of the rifle. rugers are thick in the fore end and more blocky than the remingtons are. and i dont think rugers wood is any where near as good of quality as the remingtons is either.i dont know maybe im on glue too.
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MOST of the people that harp on the Ruger accuracy level blame it on the hammer foraged barrel. Wait a tick, most mass produced rifles are hammer foraged. I believe most of the bad rap for Ruger came from the trigger. My M77 MkII came with a hideous 5.75lb pull. After a trip to mr. gunsmith, we are at a beautiful 3.25lb with little creep and crisp break. Have not had any trigger time with the new LC6 so I can not comment.
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I'm well aware that they make their own barrels and I believe that the one that my friend has in 280 has a Wilson barrel. I think that Ruger has been making their own for quite a while now, what at least 10 years or so?
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pyro6999
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any who i think the 35 whelen is a fine choice, the .350 rem mag is as well!!
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Aside from the differences in external wood finish and the black fore-end tip which makes the CDL look richer than the Hawkeye (granted), what internal quality wood differences are there if any at all? Anybody know? If there are no major or useful internal wood grade differences, then its just a matter of external asthetics and personal taste.
A richer external look, does not necessarily mean a better wood quality internally, which cannot be seen unless cut open and analyzed.
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pyro6999
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the cdl uses higher grade wood than the bdl does.
besides we were waiting for you to whip out a direct quote from one of your magazine articles to enlighten us all! |
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Yes, back to BNB's question, how much do you think you will be using it? Replace using the .30-06 as a primary or just a "because" gun that you will use when you want something different? I would say if you have the itch, scratch it. The .35 Whelen would be a nice addition to your group. I do like Squeeze's suggestion of the .375 Ruger. If you do reload, can load it lighter or run her full bore depending on your hearts desire.
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OK! But how does the CDL wood compare to the Hawkeye wood,,INTERNALLY?? Unless one were to cut both stocks open, how would you know for sure? Just looking at them won`t tell anything.
Ruger uses the Circassian walnut on their $2K+ higher priced magnum model, so that`s an easy one to see. But the CDLs are only a little more money, if not comparibly priced to the Hawkeyes depending on where you buy.
Anyone know specifically the "internal" wood grain differences between the CDL and the Hawkeye? How many different grades of walnut are there?
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That all depends on the grain tightness/age and such! Each rifle stock would be different even if ran from the same stock of wood. Example the inside of the wood might have a tighter grain than the out side and if they are getting 4 rifle stocks from the same block they will be different. |
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pyro6999
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their are quite a few grades of wood, remington uses mostly american walnut, even on the custom shop stuff, its all a matter of what grade of fanciness you want.
AMERICAN BLACK WALNUT
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I've seen brand new 700 cdl, 35whelen rifles on G-unbroker for around $500.00. What ever rifle you decide, the whelen is great. Easy to load, cheap brass, light recoil, heavy punch.
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Brush, timbers, more open plains? With the 375 Ruger, you can have the Whelen cake and eat some too!
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I have a 700 cdl in 35 whelen and it is really accurate I personally like remington rifles I had a ruger model 77 in 280 and it wouldn't hold a group so I traded it and bought a 700 cdl in 280 and at a 100 yds it puts bullets about two inches high and you can place a quarter over the bullet holes and that is with factory 140 gr accutips.
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with remington factory ammo the .375H&H with a 270gr bullet is only about 35 fps faster and has less than 150ftlbs of energy more than the 35 whelen with a 250gr bullet and their is about a foot difference in drop @ 500yds between the two. hardly a big difference, not that you would shoot either of them @ 500 yds any way
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