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LEE IN VA.
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Posted: December/29/2011 at 21:41 |
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Been lurking for a while and looking for a couple of scopes for next hunting season for my Savage .270 and 20 ga. USH. Thinking about the Bushnell Elite line with firefly for both guns. Wondering what higher priced scopes have to offer over the lower end scopes?
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rustic
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I had a new redfield 4x12 for a few days(not a bad scope at all) upgraded to a new 4.5x14 VX-3. There is a large difference to my eye.
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dw0229
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I recently set up a Meopta Meopro 3-9x42 ($399 SWFA)with german #4 for a gentlemen in our hunting club and am of the opinion that there is no way this scope can be topped in that price range.Turrets performed flawlessly and low light performance was excellent.I would most certainly choose the Meopro over a Bushnell Firefly option.No using a light to fire up the reticle plus way better glass.
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bugsNbows
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The age old question...is it worth the extra cash? IMO, yes. I've been upgrading all my scopes to eventually have all good glass vs. some o.k. stuff. I'd rather have fewer rifles that are scoped great vs. more with less. Just me I guess. Good luck.
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trigger29
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There are pretty good gains to be had by going up in price, but only up to a point. For me that point is at the 4-500 dollar range in the 3-9x or 3.5-10x range. If you get up into higher magnification, that price point goes up to about $900. Above that, the gains start to get smaller..... But there is still a difference, if you can justify it. My next scope will go well over the $900 mark, but I have very specific wants, and needs for that scope.
This is a pretty lopsided case, but the other night I was glassing some deer, facing west right into the setting sun with my Dad's Nikon Monarch binoculars. When facing the sun, they completely flared, and washed out, and I could see nothing. I handed them back to him, and pulled up my Leica Geovids, and looked to the same deer without much problem. To me, those type of abilities are what you pay for in higher end optics. At 30 min. after sunset, the difference is night, and day. Literally.
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cbm
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I hunted with a Zeiss Diavari 3-12x56 last week and with my Bushnell 4200 firefly last night. I have also had several alpha class scopes. I personally feel like , if the money is a big concern, there is not a lot of difference for my style of hunting. The 4200 is very bright and great to hunt with. I hunted until the same time at dark with my buddy's Zeiss as I did with my 4200. It was pitch black when I left either stand.
There is a difference in the high end optics but I think a lot of times people make it sound like it's like looking through nightvision or something. The high end scopes are not really "that" much brighter IMO, but they are sharper,easier to look through for long periods at dark,etc. You might be able to tell a deer has a rack but not be able to count points, whereas a 4200 or something you may just make out the siloutte. That's why I went with high end bino's and bought Conquests and 4200s for the current guns I am hunting with. Edited by cbm - December/30/2011 at 07:09 |
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LEE IN VA.
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Is the rain guard a big plus compared to other scopes? Charging the firefly doesn't sound like a big deal to me.
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bugsNbows
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IMO, hydrophobic coatings (Rainguard, LotuTec, Aquadura, etc.) are rather beneficial and very functional.
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Chris Farris II
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I agree the coatings can be beneficial at times. However I am not a big fan of the Firefly reticle at all.
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SVT_Tactical
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I'm not a fan of bushnell at all.
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pyro6999
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what?? why?? the 4200 elite is one of my faves. wish i had a couple more 3x9's. |
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Rainguard-type coatings do add some visibility for those who hunt in "extreme" conditions. My own testing with scopes with such coatings has been quite satisfactory. If you get into heavy rains or rapid temperature changes, the coatings can provide an edge.
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pyro6999
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i know they work damn good up here in november when it can be -20 during deer season.
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SVT_Tactical
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Just dealing with them if an issue comes up. Its near impossible.
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supertool73
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Thats not always true Graham, I have used their CS twice and have very positive experiences. We mostly just hear about the bad ones I think.
Have you had personal bad experience with them? |
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Bitterroot Bulls
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ST, Can you post your positive CS details? They have some cool products coming out I would be interested in, if their CS has improved. |
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SVT_Tactical
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Next time was when I purchased some BC covers, 2 sets, they arrived and the first time I used them one broke, I put it back in the package and set it aside to call later, a few weeks go by and another broke, I called them again cause they cover BC now, i was told that to get them warrantied I'd have to pay to ship the broke ones back and pay shipping to get the new ones more than just buying 2 new ones from SWFA with shipping would have been...... i vowed then i was done with Bushnell.
I don't doubt they make decent scopes, the first 10X 3200 i had was great, but if you have a problem a company ought to stand behind their product better than that. Edited by SVT_Tactical - December/30/2011 at 10:41 |
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supertool73
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I had a Legend and 4200 go down. Both of these have been several years ago. And not at the same time. I called them up told them the problem. Was told to box them up and ship them back with an explanation of the problems. They both got real fuzzy at the higher mags.
About a month after I sent them I got them back repaired with a note explaining what was wrong and what they fixed. In both cases parallax came out of adjustments somehow. I did have to pay for shipping both ways, that was my only gripe. |
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cbm
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The firefly reticle I like a lot because it's really a great heavy duplex that tapers down.I think Bushnell used to call the non firefly versiona 3-2-1. I rarely have ever even illuminated mine and when I have it's only been a quick flash and not a full flashlight beam. A full flashlight beam will over illuminate it and you can't see crap until it dies down(in real low light situations). I shot a doe tonight with mine at last light with it not illuminated and it's right up there with some of the best stuff I have used !
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slowr1der
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I'm also not a fan of Bushnell at all. Every Bushnell product I've had has left me disappointed in some way. That combined with their lousy customer service turns me away. This is what keeps me from recommending their scopes more. Their 4200 series has great glass and there is no question to that, but they don't seem to track well, and their customer service they are famous for (that's not a good thing btw), keep me from recommending or using them. I've since sold off all of my Bushnell scopes that I've had. That said, they have been good to me recently with the BC flip up's, but they just keep on breaking.
As for a $250 scope vs. a $500 scope, it really depends on what you are doing. If it's a scope that you plan to sight in and never touch again, I don't see any reason that you need to pay more than $250 for a hunting scope of that nature. You could go with a Burris FFII and have glass that's good enough to get you well past legal hunting hours, as well as a reliable scope. Same thing with many others in this price range, including the Elite 3200 and 4200's, the Monarchs, etc. The FFII is my favorite in this price range though. Although I will admit there are some in this price range with pretty lousy glass, reliability, and everything else. So you have to base it more on the particular scope than just the price. Then you can step up to the Zeiss Conquest that is $400 that has slightly better glass, and by slightly better, I mean very slightly. However, you already could hunt until the end of legal hunting hours. You also get better turrets, but if you aren't cranking on them repeatedly this doesn't matter much. So from this aspect, I don't see much need to spend the extra, because while you do get slight improvements they are very slight, and you don't really need them. However, if you plan on shooting long range this is where the big difference is. If you are cranking on the turrets you want them to track perfectly and be repeatable. This is where many of the more expensive scopes shine. Many of the more expensive scopes have not only better turrets, but more features like a reticle matched to the turrets, some are FFP. Glass wise until you get into the $1000+ range, I still don't think you get much more over a couple of the good $250 scopes, but you certainly get more features. |
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