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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.
 True; it's basically a small, light rifle chambered for a pistol cartridge. It will kill deer, but not the best choice...
 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.




No offense taken!!!

It was the rifle that my grandfather gave me to shoot when I was 12 years old. The deer were all taken well within 100 yards and with "open sights". I didn't move up to a larger caliber rifle until a few years later. Gotta remember this was close to 40 years ago and times were different back then.  Wink


(edited because it's actually closer to 40 years ago)  Shocked


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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.


No offense taken!!!

It was the rifle that my grandfather gave me to shoot when I was 12 years old. The deer were all taken well within 100 yards and with "open sights". I didn't move up to a larger caliber rifle until a few years later. Gotta remember this was over 30 years ago and times were different back then.  Wink
 Did you use surplus "ball" ammo, Mike, or was there even any thing else available as far as softpoints, etc?
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Originally posted by RONK RONK wrote:

Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

no offense to the .30carbine, but imo its not a good deer round past about 50 yards.


No offense taken!!!

It was the rifle that my grandfather gave me to shoot when I was 12 years old. The deer were all taken well within 100 yards and with "open sights". I didn't move up to a larger caliber rifle until a few years later. Gotta remember this was over 30 years ago and times were different back then.  Wink
 Did you use surplus "ball" ammo, Mike, or was there even any thing else available as far as softpoints, etc?


"Ball" ammo. Back then my cousin, who was in the military, used to get us ammo. Not sure if it was free or discounted but there was always plenty to shoot. His son (cousin too) used a carbine as well (scoped). Back then the process for our family's seemed to be .22's, then carbines, to .270, 30.06 or 7mm. Come to think of it, in the 60's/70's a lot of the stuff we used was military equipment. Our jeep was a '42 Ford (Willys), we actually still use it.




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the .30 carbine isnt legal in some states for deer, i do believe wyoming and and minnesota are two of them.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the .30 carbine isnt legal in some states for deer, i do believe wyoming and and minnesota are two of them.


We have smaller deer (blacktails), that could be why. The carbine is not recommended to use for hogs in the CA hunting regs.

I read somewhere that their on"the list" to possibly be banned for sale here sometime in the near future. Unbelievable.
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Welcome back Pyro!!!  Thunbs Up
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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

the .30 carbine isnt legal in some states for deer, i do believe wyoming and and minnesota are two of them.


We have smaller deer (blacktails), that could be why. The carbine is not recommended to use for hogs in the CA hunting regs.

I read somewhere that their on"the list" to possibly be banned for sale here sometime in the near future. Unbelievable.
 
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I am kinda thinking if i get it an really like it then i will get a douglas barrel and get some work done to it to make it a tack driver if possible with open sights of course
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So it looks like most people here favor the M1A over the other two choices.
Are there any other .308 semi-autos I should consider?
 
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

I am kinda thinking if i get it an really like it then i will get a douglas barrel and get some work done to it to make it a tack driver if possible with open sights of course


http://www.fulton-armory.com

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Originally posted by njmoericke njmoericke wrote:

So it looks like most people here favor the M1A over the other two choices.
Are there any other .308 semi-autos I should consider?
 


AR-10

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Gotta agree with Rancid here.  Not only is it easier to mount a scope on an AR10, it's a lot cheaper as well.  Quality bases and rings for M1's that won't shoot loose are expensive.  I like M1's but they are long, heavy and not easily scoped.  There are a lot of other rifles I'd rather carry afield for hunting.  Standard M1 stocks are problematic for cheek welds when using a scope too.
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Oh for the OP's poster the AR10 wins hands down.  The FN is to new for me to recommend it but it does look promising.
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Heres a little thread on the ar10's http://opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=22074&PN=1
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dale Clifford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/31/2010 at 12:41
the m1 is not and no matter how much money you throw at will it ever be a tack driver, the fn is a browning with a pistol grip, you should really look at the remington 7400 and in a 6mm makes a pretty good 600 yd  target gun, but the regular ar10 runs a few lbs less than the ar10t, heres my ar10 with a mk4 4x14 and my ar10t with a nightforcehere is the m1a with a ss
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my personal favorites and the best built semiauto/battlerifle etc. are the DSAs but I think they are more than your price range.
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Interesting thread...and lots to reply to.

First, out of respect to the O.P.: As much as I like M1As (and love their ancestor, the M1 Garand), I'd have to vote for an AR-10.

Some notes on the Garand:

1) You can - with a whole lot of trouble - get it sub-MOA. However, in most cases, even with a bedding job and a good barrel, 1-MOA is about as good as it gets. One reason for this, if shooting standard M2 ball surplus, is that the powder is loose in the cartridge. I've even tested this out myself after reading about carefully tilting the rifle between each shot to have the powder ignite uniformly from round to round. My rifle shoots 168 gr. SMKs over IMR 4064 better, but that's partially because each round is handloaded and carefully measured. Maybe it's also because my Criterion barrel likes the 168s better.

You can bed the rifle but a cheap fix I discovered was that when I refinished the stock, it swelled the wood somewhat, providing a better lock up. Also, you must make sure your front sight and the gas cylinder are not wobbly. They often are because misguided soldiers were told to remove the gas cylinder often when cleaning. The sight must be locked down tight and the splines on the barrel that hold the gas cylinder in place may need peening:




(I posted this diagram on the CMP website several years ago and it has shown up all over the place so it should be considered a reliable depiction of this method)

Also, the front handguard needs to have some play in it. That is intentional and accomodates the barrel heating up and expanding. If it's tight, the handguard will bind on the rifle and affect accuracy.

2) CMP usually has Criterion replacement barrels in stock. Their prices are good and Criterion is an arm of Krieger Barrels. They are excellent and only require some minor gunsmithing (by a qualified person!!!) to correctly headspace the chamber after installation.

3) You do not need to go crazy buying an expensive version of the Garand from somewhere else than the CMP. This is a rifle that's meant to shoot well, but not drill a gnat's ass. Get one, make the minor changes mentioned, perhaps replace the barrel, and get plenty of ammo. They are fun to shoot so have a blast.

Regarding the M1-Carbine: Kinda neat little gun and it served its purpose well. But I have never been interested in them because they aren't meant for 100-yard+ shooting.
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