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Roy Finn
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Because he doesn't have one.................
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Kickboxer
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I guess you wouldn't like my .458 Lott much...
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SD Dog
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Not really KB. You are not looking for a light recoil long range deer rifle. (know you know this). I think it is kind of neat that you use it. You don't have to, but choose to for your own reasons and are happy. I would hate to see someone looking for gun get something they will hate in the morning. Personally, 99.44% sure won't use a .458 Lott for deer, but there is always a chance.
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SD Dog
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KB, didn't say never, there is .34% I might. Your last post is making me laugh so hard I can barely type, the sad Taz needing a pick-me-up.
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So what happened to the other .22%....
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It is curious. (Should an accountant even admit he made that simple math mistake?) Been looking at this computer way too long.
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trigger29
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Pyro thinks the .270 win. nearly killed his favorite caliber, even though it was Remington themselves who nearly killed it. Many deer at many ranges fall to 130gr, and 150gr. .277 bullets. A 150gr. killed one at 516 yards last fall, and I watched her fall where she stood. That was a .270 wsm, but the year before, it was done at 480 with a .270 win. It takes practice by the shooter, and the caliber does have to be up to it, but it doesn't require a cannon to shoot the longer ranges.
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Dogger
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Didn't see an answer yet for JB's questions.
The stated use was long range, medium game, deer primarily, wants minimum recoil, extreme conditions, factory ammo.
Rules out 338 or other heavy magnums for sure if this is a first deer rifle and little experience. Sounds like this is the case, not putting anyone down just trying to set the framework. Should also rule out long range on game if little experience, this is something that requires much practice on target. Become a hunter first.
Your heading in the right direction looking at 270, 308, 30.06, but we need to know the answers to JB first and typical terrain you plan to hunt before giving you the best advice.
p.s. meant to ask, what do you consider long range?
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supertool73
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I would get a 30-06 or similar. In the right hands it would easily kill a deer out as far as you can shoot. So many of these calibers these days over lap each other so much it is almost pointless to have them. Much less spend to much time debating over them. If you are a reloader you can pretty much get what you want. If you are not get one that has tons and tons of available factory ammo that will be available anywhere you go.
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Good summary!
It's fun to argue about cartridge performance, but in the real world there is a LOT of overlap.
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Dogger
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Can't go wrong with 308 or 30.06, but trying to define his criteria.
Was ok up until he said as little recoil as possible. If he is recoil adverse and his long ranges are moderate maybe a 7-08 or 243 would work.
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supertool73
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I agree it is fun sometimes. But other times I wonder the point of all these different calibers is. In the end I guess it is all about making money. If you can get a person to buy a .264 a .270 a .280, and a .308 and a .30-06 and convince them that each one will be better for a certain type of hunting then why not.
I think people spend to much times debating about what would be better and buying all these different calibers when they should pick one and then be out learning how to shoot it. In the years ahead we are going to need all the riflemen we can get, and the more trigger time we all have the better off we are all going to be. Edited by supertool73 - March/25/2009 at 10:13 |
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Dogger
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Agree absolutely.
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Ed Connelly
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I always understood from reading that a 340 Wby was a real nasty beast. I wouldn't want one. ( I would like a 375 H&H, though........I guess I'm weird....)
For deer I would get a 300 Winchester Mag if I wanted a long range deer shooter. But a 270 Win will work. I like them, too. [ I guess a 7mm Rem. Mag would work....but I just never got worked up over them---I don't know why......]
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John Barsness
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The .340 isn't as bad as many people make it out to be. Or at least it doesn't feel that way to me. Then again, even at my slightly advanced age I apparently do have somewhat more recoil tolerance than most people. But it sure isn't needed to kill a deer. If only deer are involved I agree totally with the post about buying an accurate rifle (a Savage will definitely do) in any of the various medium-range chamberings, whether a .270 or something like it (the .308 is a lot closer to the .270 than most of us will acknowledge) and then shooting it a lot. In fact I would pretty much give the same advice even if elk might be on the wish-list. But we don't know, do we? I hope we haven't scared our new friend off. |
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