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What do you guys measure cases to and find wont chamber? I reloaded some and most chamber, but a few won't. 

The brass is LC, and I used a rock chucker with Lee Dies I think. 

Is it better to just buy the brass already processed? I have enough primers, powder and bullets to look 1000 rounds, but I need them to function in my AR.
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Get rid of the lee dies, grab you some RCBS small base dies.
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sounds almost like you were just borderline with your die setting that most are ok but some that needed more work didn't get it.....  Small base dies as mentioned above are good to help this but also make sure you have your dies set correctly.  Load in small batches to check function before going on to a big batch..


I've also see guys get tired and not fully manipulate the arms on the press loading in big batches... this'll call issues too.

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Get a Wilson case gauge. I don't reload a magazine without running my reloads through one.
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+1 on a case gauge. I use a Dillon case gauge, and it works for me.
Setting up my dies according to the die directions didn't even get me close to specs. With the case gauge I was able to get the case properly sized and trimmed, by properly setting up my size and trim dies.
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+3 on buying a case gauge.  Lyman, Wilson, Dillon all make them.  Basically its just a spec chamber that you can drop you resized brass into to make sure it will fit.  Possibly you are just not pushing the shoulder back quite far enough.  The case gauge can tell you those things.

I would try that before changing dies.  I have loaded thousands and thousands of 223 with Lee dies and they have worked fine for me. 

Small base dies are a good thought too.  Especially if you are sizing brass that was not shot in your gun or you just have a rifle with a tight chamber.   

I have bought supposedly process brass before.  I have always still had to resize it.  I bought 1000 300 blk brass that the guy claimed he had completely processed and it was ready to load.  Nearly all of the still had the military crimp in them, needed the shoulder pushed back farther, had not had the primer pockets cleaned out etc.  He should have just called them cut and shaped brass, not fully processed brass.  IMO its always best to do all that yourself.  Then you know it is done to your spec and need. 
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What do you like for a case trimmer?

I use my rock chucker, and then I have a powder thrower, so I go through in batches. I resize and deprime. Then remove the crimp. Then I usually run through the tumbler.

Then I use a hand primer to prime them, and fill up a tray of 50. Then throw the powder. Then seat bullets. 

The Lee dies are not my favorite. 

I have the progressive addition for it, but that thing doesn't work worth a flip. I need to just send it to RCBS and tell them to make it work or send me something I can use. 
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I have a few of these trimmers and they are the bomb. https://littlecrowgunworks.com/product/worlds-finest-trimmer-wft/?v=7516fd43adaa
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[QUOTE=supertool73]I have a few of these trimmers and they are the bomb. https://littlecrowgunworks.com/product/worlds-finest-trimmer-wft/?v=7516fd43adaa[/QUOTE]


Ditto!

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Originally posted by Lockjaw Lockjaw wrote:


I have the progressive addition for it, but that thing doesn't work worth a flip. I need to just send it to RCBS and tell them to make it work or send me something I can use. 


For a progressive take a look at the Hornady, they are around $400ish.  I have had one since 2002 (i think) and loaded 10s of thousands of rounds with it.  It makes fantastic ammo.  I can make 1/2 moa ammo with it.  I have been very happy with it over the years.  Often 223 is a high volume round and being able to load 300 to 400 rounds an hour is a great thing. 

I have used a few Dillons and they are top notch, but quite a bit more money.  I would love to own a 650, but cannot justify it since my Hornady has been so good to me.  You can buy auto case and bullet feeders for hornady as well.  A guy could make some serious ammo then.   
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Get a Wilson case gauge. I don't reload a magazine without running my reloads through one.

SPOT ON. I have this one too. Time and frustration saver...BIG time. 

I crimp my AR rounds too. Lee makes a decent one.  
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

+3 on buying a case gauge.  Lyman, Wilson, Dillon all make them.  Basically its just a spec chamber that you can drop you resized brass into to make sure it will fit.  Possibly you are just not pushing the shoulder back quite far enough.  The case gauge can tell you those things.

I would try that before changing dies.  I have loaded thousands and thousands of 223 with Lee dies and they have worked fine for me. 

Small base dies are a good thought too.  Especially if you are sizing brass that was not shot in your gun or you just have a rifle with a tight chamber.   

I have bought supposedly process brass before.  I have always still had to resize it.  I bought 1000 300 blk brass that the guy claimed he had completely processed and it was ready to load.  Nearly all of the still had the military crimp in them, needed the shoulder pushed back farther, had not had the primer pockets cleaned out etc.  He should have just called them cut and shaped brass, not fully processed brass.  IMO its always best to do all that yourself.  Then you know it is done to your spec and need. 

Great post. 

I too have used Lee dies exclusively for .223 with no problems, but I like the small base recommendations here.  
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

+3 on buying a case gauge.  Lyman, Wilson, Dillon all make them.  Basically its just a spec chamber that you can drop you resized brass into to make sure it will fit.  Possibly you are just not pushing the shoulder back quite far enough.  The case gauge can tell you those things.

I would try that before changing dies.  I have loaded thousands and thousands of 223 with Lee dies and they have worked fine for me. 

Small base dies are a good thought too.  Especially if you are sizing brass that was not shot in your gun or you just have a rifle with a tight chamber.   

I have bought supposedly process brass before.  I have always still had to resize it.  I bought 1000 300 blk brass that the guy claimed he had completely processed and it was ready to load.  Nearly all of the still had the military crimp in them, needed the shoulder pushed back farther, had not had the primer pockets cleaned out etc.  He should have just called them cut and shaped brass, not fully processed brass.  IMO its always best to do all that yourself.  Then you know it is done to your spec and need. 

Great post. 

I too have used Lee dies exclusively for .223 with no problems, but I like the small base recommendations here.  
Ditto. Never a problem with the Lee dies and you get the most excellent Lee taper crimp die with the full set. Still, small base dies are never a bad option for self loaders.

Lockjaw,
You mentioned tumbling your brass after sizing. That raised an eyebrow. You might try loading a batch that was tumbled before sizing instead and see if your problem goes away. It isn't out of the question that some mechanical case inconsistency occurs randomly during the tumbling process.

Ps There's some good stuff in this thread!
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I tumble, (rarely) with walnut hulls. If you should tumble after primer removal, be careful you don't have a small piece of media stuck in the primer pocket when you reprime the case.   
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How about the Lee deluxe case trimmer? Usually when I tumble after resizing I use compressed air to clear the primer pockets.
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Oh and can I drop a loaded case in a case gauge to check it? I have probably about 500 rounds loaded and some functions, some doesn't. I want to be able to separate the ones I need to pull apart and resize the case before reloading again. 


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Originally posted by Lockjaw Lockjaw wrote:

Oh and can I drop a loaded case in a case gauge to check it? I have probably about 500 rounds loaded and some functions, some doesn't. I want to be able to separate the ones I need to pull apart and resize the case before reloading again. 



Perfect for that. 
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Ok I ordered the case gage and also the WFT in 223. I figure I can pull apart the ones that don't fit and save the powder and just trim them and put back together. 

I have 440 cases that are sized, deprimed, and decrimped that I could trim and load. I have 3 pounds of powder, 500 bullets, and 1000 primers. I have more brass. 

And no bench....... 
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If overall length is the issue then yes, you could just pull the bullet and trim.  But if the shoulder needs bumped back a bit, then you will probably have to pop the primer when you run it through the sizing die to push the shoulder back. 

But either way, you should be able to figure it out now with the gauge and your caliper. 

You will like the WTF, while that Lee one would probably work well, you can probably do 5 or more with the WFT in the time it would take to do one with the Lee


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I have had the same issue with Lee Dies, the problem I had was that the shoulder was not being set back far enough. I purchased a RCBS Precision Mic 223 Remington and it showed that the die was not setting the shoulder back far enough to chamber reliably in my AR. I actually have a spare one that I can sell if you would want it.

Like many stated above though, there are LOTS of options for gauges to measure shoulders so choose one that is from a maker you will trust.

Another option you have is to send two fire formed pieces of brass, along with two re-sized pieces of brass along with the die to LEE and they will fix the die to size the brass correctly.
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Pull the guts out of the die and just bump the shoulder back on the rounds that don't chamber. I've done this many times. 
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Ditto to what cheaptrick said,  you can fix primed brass without loosing a bunch of primers
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Tumbling your brass should be the first process you do. If you run dirty brass through your dies you can cause damage or wear to your dies. It also keeps media out of the flash hole and primer pocket. Fowling from primers has very, very little or nothing to do with the quality of your reloads, so I wouldn't worry about cleaning primer pockets. If there is any media stuck in the flash hole, the depriming pin will knock it out when you deprime the case.
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