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supertool73
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If overall length is the issue then yes, you could just pull the bullet and trim. But if the shoulder needs bumped back a bit, then you will probably have to pop the primer when you run it through the sizing die to push the shoulder back.
But either way, you should be able to figure it out now with the gauge and your caliper. You will like the WTF, while that Lee one would probably work well, you can probably do 5 or more with the WFT in the time it would take to do one with the Lee Edited by supertool73 - October/25/2016 at 15:36 |
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I have had the same issue with Lee Dies, the problem I had was that the shoulder was not being set back far enough. I purchased a RCBS Precision Mic 223 Remington and it showed that the die was not setting the shoulder back far enough to chamber reliably in my AR. I actually have a spare one that I can sell if you would want it.
Like many stated above though, there are LOTS of options for gauges to measure shoulders so choose one that is from a maker you will trust. Another option you have is to send two fire formed pieces of brass, along with two re-sized pieces of brass along with the die to LEE and they will fix the die to size the brass correctly. |
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Pull the guts out of the die and just bump the shoulder back on the rounds that don't chamber. I've done this many times.
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Ditto to what cheaptrick said, you can fix primed brass without loosing a bunch of primers
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Tumbling your brass should be the first process you do. If you run dirty brass through your dies you can cause damage or wear to your dies. It also keeps media out of the flash hole and primer pocket. Fowling from primers has very, very little or nothing to do with the quality of your reloads, so I wouldn't worry about cleaning primer pockets. If there is any media stuck in the flash hole, the depriming pin will knock it out when you deprime the case.
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Does that work with a LEE die? Lee dies make you bottom our the die on the shell holder, does removing the guts allow you to somehow get the brass to go deeper into the die? Not being a jerk, honestly don't know if there is a trick here that I am not aware of. |
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supertool73
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When they are talking the guts, they just mean the spindle that has the primer punch and the expander ball. Where he has already ran them through the die with the expander he should be okay running it without. Mostly that just makes the neck perfectly round again (and introduces runout ;) which is where the Lee Collet die shines, but that is another issue)
I don't believe taking the guts out would allow you to get any die any closer to the shell holder. |
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I doubt that die is the problem since some of the ammo will fire and cycle properly. I just want to get my issue solved because getting the stuck one out was a pita.
I need to get set back up. I have dies for 308 too. And have cases and same powder for 223 I could use or something else. I look for brass everywhere I go. I got a bunch of 708 brass out at club too. But my Ruger is a little funky about reloads. Hard to close bolt. |
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supertool73
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Hard to close bolt sounds like another shoulder issue. I bet you are not bumping the should back far enough in that gun either.
On getting rounds stuck in the chamber on the AR. Put the gun so the butt of the stock is on something solid, barrel pointing straight up. Then pull back on the charging handle lift up the gun and smack the buttstock on the ground or whatever hard you have. This will usually work for cases that are stuck from improper sized cases. |
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Of course it works. You need to cam over on the down stroke, not just bottom out. I only have Lee dies for .223, so I know it will work.
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I don't know about the Ruger. Its finicky. That one I use hornady new dimension dies. My 270 uses RCBS. And I have RCBS for my 308.
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Well the case gage hurt my feelings. I have more ammo loaded that will cycle than won't cycle. So now I have to pull a bunch of cases apart and see what the issue is. YAY ME!!!
I looked at die reviews and people are all over the board, so I guess I will play with my Lee die and use the case gage to get a case dialed in properly. The WFT is the bomb. I went through 440 cases in about half an hour it seemed like. It kind of made me wonder if the case mouth wasn't square and that is causing my cases to be off. Seems like one side was off compared to the other when I put loaded ammo in it. And the nice thing is my kids will do alot of it for me. They think its fun.
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Great, glad you got things figured out. I had a pull a crap load when I first started loading years ago too. That is the problem with teaching yourself how to load. Lots of trial and error. I was taught by someone on straight wall cases, but bottle necks are a whole different thing and I did the same thing, just didn't push the shoulder back far enough.
I have Redding, Forester, Hornady, RCBS and Lee dies. I have used all of them a lot and in my case if setup properly all of them have worked just fine. I honestly believe a lot of people just don't know what they are doing so they immediately blame the problem on the dies when they just have not yet learned how to set them up properly. In my experience having a few tools, case gauge, caliper, hornady head space gauge kit, a little reading and I have always been able to make ammo that cycles just fine in all my guns, including auto feeders. Just go slow and stop and check occasionally and you can make great ammo. |
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Try and resize a loaded round with the innards removed from a FLS die before you start banging out bullets. IMO.
If those rounds won't chamber, you need to size it more. That's your problem. Hell, try one.
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I was gonna ask about that. So you are suggesting that I take the deprime rod out and just run it up in there with bullet in case? Let me go try that.
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I would be a little nervous about doing that. Thats just me though.
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Yeah, it's freaky the first 1000 or so, but it soon becomes old hat. The shell holder and ram are hollow where the primer is any way.
If you are worried, then take them apart and start over, but I was in the EXACT same boat with a SHTF AR ammo and tried this trick out. I'm too lazy to redo all those bastards.
If you try one and it's still not working, then stop because you have another problem. Let us know your findings. (IF you're still alive.) |
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Notice his avatar of a kid sticking a butter knife in a wall socket
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I have to find some c clamps to attach it to my black and Decker workmate so I can try it. Got a pinched nerve or two in my neck as well. I have some cases that are primer ready i can push in first if I need to.
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