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Both are good, both have advantages and disadvantages, neither is "the one"...

I no longer have a 7mm-08, but have nothing negative to say about it.  As with most calibers, good shot placement will win you a trophy every time.  I taught my youngest daughter how to use a bolt action with 7mm-08 (taught her to shoot with Browning Safari II BAR in .243... she likes semi-auto better).  She was good with it, but never loved it.  My twins learned with the .243BAR, my oldest learned with .308 and 30-06... she's an ace shooter. 

7mm-08 is a fine chambering for most game animals on North America and for most "plains game".  Accurate, easy to shoot, easy to load, can be used for anything from short to long range target shooting and varmints to elk.  Pretty sure I could kill a bear with one, but would not relish the mission. 

For similar rifles and optimum ammo for the caliber, .308 will have heavier recoil than the 7mm-08. 

I would have to agree with the "one (or more) of each" crowd.  Though I don't have a -08, there is really no reason not... for me it is just another round I would have to keep track of and since it was not a favorite of any of my daughters, I sold it to purchase my .458 Lott... great trade up in my book.

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Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Don't seem to be any love for my Creedmoor or my " Bob "!!!

Ric, where are ya?


I would've put in on 25 WSSM (same territory) but I knew I'd get enough grief on .260.
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7mm bullets are ballistically superior to the same weight 30 cal bullets. That says alot.
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Originally posted by urbaneruralite urbaneruralite wrote:

Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Don't seem to be any love for my Creedmoor or my " Bob "!!!

Ric, where are ya?


I would've put in on 25 WSSM (same territory) but I knew I'd get enough grief on .260.


I don't think you received any grief for trying to turn the "7mm08 or 308" discussion into a 7mm.08 vs .260 debate.   Wink 
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Agreed it's still chocolate & vanilla ain't nothing wrong with any of them. I'll take it a step further guns & cartridges are like girls............most of them are great.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

7mm bullets are ballistically superior to the same weight 30 cal bullets. That says alot.

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308 has proven its self over and over in target and hunting. It does offer much more in bullet choices. I chose 7mm because I'm on a mission to prove (for myself) the quote above............My current project is a 7-08 AR for competition (the 1000yd kind). I have been schooled on some very basic gas gun challenges. I do expect to succeed, as I am picking some of the top brains on the subject.

Good Luck with your choice either one is right!!!

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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

7mm bullets are ballistically superior to the same weight 30 cal bullets. That says alot.

My preference in the 7mm category is 7mmSTW...  I gave my 7mmRemMag to my son-in-law and sold the -08... I'll keep the STW, though.

You definitely trade recoil for trajectory with .308 vs 7mm. 

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Originally posted by Sgt. D Sgt. D wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

7mm bullets are ballistically superior to the same weight 30 cal bullets. That says alot.

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308 has proven its self over and over in target and hunting. It does offer much more in bullet choices. I chose 7mm because I'm on a mission to prove (for myself) the quote above............My current project is a 7-08 AR for competition (the 1000yd kind). I have been schooled on some very basic gas gun challenges. I do expect to succeed, as I am picking some of the top brains on the subject.

Good Luck with your choice either one is right!!!




Same weight, what the hell!

I run, regularly and happily, 243AI and 308 - among other calibers. I like the terminal performance of 30-cal bullets over 7mm bullets. In the anecdotes department, I have had better results.

Additionally, in the "big bullet vs fast bullet" debate, I settle squarely on big bullets. I like to throw large pieces of lead, experience has shown me I have a higher rate of success than when I throw a smaller bullet faster.

Don't get me wrong, my 243AI is unquestionable among my favorites, but 300WM is the all time favorite, and 308 is his little brother.

I like 6mm, 6.5, and 7mm; but my true love will always be 30-cal.
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7mm-08 for me.  I have one in a T/C Encore that has killed at least a dozen deer and another dozen hogs, and a Win Mod 70 (new design) that last year took a doe at 325yds.

In addition to the recoil, Jason said one of the most important factors above - ballistic superiority for the 7mm vs. .308 in the same bullet design and weight.
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

In addition to the recoil, Jason said one of the most important factors above - ballistic superiority for the 7mm vs. .308 in the same bullet design and weight.

Where is this "same weight" thing coming from?  My 308 does pretty well with 208's, can you do that with your 7mm?
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Clearly that wasn't my point.  And I have no desire to shoot 208gr in my 7mm-08, so I haven't tried.  If I want to push a 200+ grain bullet in a .30 caliber, I use my .300WM so I have decent long range terminal velocity.  Obviously bullet weight is everyone's personal choice, but Jason's statement and my agreement with him are not anecdote.
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Since we are talking 7mm-08 to .308, win mag rounds dont really apply. Rancids knows all this so not sure why the debate, but A 175 grain smk shot out of both of them the 7mm will have less drop, less wind drift, and lose less velocity. All great factors.

Personally i own 4 .30 caliber guns and they do what i need just fine. But if i were to start again i would possibly pick the 7mm. I own a 7 mag and it has killed many deer and elk, never left me wanting.
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That was my point as well.  At the end of the day it's just a matter of choice, and I prefer the 7mm-Winkle for medium game.
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Pouring gas on the fire, the hunting side of the comparison is mute. For any caliber, if it is accurate (as usual) it comes to shot placement. My comments are in distance performance. And are more about the heavier 7mm bullets. But even with 140 and 150gr I get better performance with the 7mm than most get with 308. Even when loading my 300WM with 185 Bergers the 180 Berger in the 7mmwsm out preforms with less powder and less recoil. When we are shooting in full value cross wind my hold is usually half or less what the 308 guys are having to use. And it shoots flatter. Granted I am loading for 3100fps to do that, it is impressive. For practicality in hunting interest, the 308 makes more since simply due to bullet choices. When you cross over the 200gr line you have decided that recoil is not high on the list of concerns. Shooting on the competition side, managing recoil has to be considered. If the Berger 195 performs as I expect it should it will be very hard to beat in distance performance. But I haven't tried any yet and probably won't until they offer it in a target round. I like 308 and plan to build a upper for it in the near future. But for the current game I like the 7-08 better.
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Flip a coin, take the best deal, or get both (I've done that), you won't be sorry with either one.
Me, I'd go with a 6.5 Creed, or 260 Rem., but it would be in an AR platform.
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Then again, if I'm shooting a light weight hunting rifle, the 7-08 makes more sense.
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If everyone agrees, where's the fun in that.

308 or bust!
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

If everyone agrees, where's the fun in that.

308 or bust!

Well, if you have a sh!t pile of 308s, then you may be tempted to cheat on your harem.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

If everyone agrees, where's the fun in that.

308 or bust!

Well, if you have a sh!t pile of 308s, then you may be tempted to cheat on your harem.

That's how I feel with the 6.5.  For over 40 years i've only shot 30 cals.  Now I have this 6.5 and wondering why I didn't start cheating earlier!  Roll on Floor Laughing
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I have owned one .308.  It was a BLR takedown.  I still own it, but now it's a .338 Federal (way better caliber for that rifle for what I use it for, IMO).  Though I prefer the 7mm-08 for my hunting needs, I wouldn't mind having a good target action barreled in .308 to play around with.
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Would that be called cheating???

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I have a .308 Winchester....but it identifies itself as a 7mm Winkle. Big Grin
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