The Optics Talk Forums : Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? http://www.opticstalk.com/ This is an XML content feed of; The Optics Talk Forums : Tactical Scopes : Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:47:49 +0000 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:09:08 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.69 360 www.opticstalk.com/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=19328 The Optics Talk Forums http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_images/OPTICSTALK_Logo.png http://www.opticstalk.com/ Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Dave, Wasn't implying, more... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242025#242025 Author: Mike McDonald
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/30/2009 at 07:09

Dave,

Wasn't implying, more like thinking out loud.

Just went through something similar with an Army sniper buddy and a scope on a TRG 300WM.  He was convinced it was the scope and then found it was the mounting system.

Conversely I just sent a MkIVM3 back to Beaverton for overhaul due to inability to retain zero.  Up was up, down was down, and windage = ostrich.  I suspect that's not what Leupold engineers intended, but I know why Luppies do this after a time.

 
Still can't think of anything that would "settle" in a scope that the next shot wouldn't move.
I'll take a look at one of my scope autopsies and see if anything becomes evident.
]]> Wed, 30 Sep 2009 07:09:08 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242025#242025 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Are the Badger Ordnance rings... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242004#242004 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/30/2009 at 02:01

Are the Badger Ordnance rings and rails STEEL They don't seem to say.   Bill T.]]> Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:01:39 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242004#242004 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Well if you use the raised and... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242003#242003 Author: Urimaginaryfrnd
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/30/2009 at 01:53

Well if you use the raised and extended rail you dont want the ultra high rings you want a medium high ring.   It all seems like a long way around to buy something when a La Rue mount would work better but to each his own. 
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Badger Ordnance Maximized Scope 30mm RingsBadger Ordnance Maximized Scope 30mm Rings
Stock # - 30621
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  • Medium High (1.0")
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]]> Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:53:52 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242003#242003 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Originally posted by danjojoUSMCHey... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242002#242002 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/30/2009 at 01:47

Originally posted by danjojoUSMC

Hey Bill, why the Extended Riser rail?  Doesn't seem like it would need it in the pictures I've seen.
 
I don't want to take a chance with a lower set up. Besides the rock solid STEEL  setup gives me a little more clearance no matter if I need it or not. If it's an issue I will deal with it.  Otherwise I will just set it up as intended.  Bill T.
]]> Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:47:43 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242002#242002 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Hey Bill, why the Extended Riser... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242001#242001 Author: danjojoUSMC
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/30/2009 at 01:32

Hey Bill, why the Extended Riser rail?  Doesn't seem like it would need it in the pictures I've seen.
 
 
]]> Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:32:56 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=242001#242001 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Other products listed were not... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241991#241991 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 23:35

Other products listed were not avaliable by SWFA, or I would have listed as such. Thank You, Bill T.]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:35:07 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241991#241991 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Gentleman, I've made... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241990#241990 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 23:33

Gentleman,
 
I've made the decision and this is what I'm going  with on my .50 Bushmaster .50 BMG.
 
Rings:
 
 
uct/7003
 
Mounts:
 
 
 
 
Scope
 
 
S.S. 20X 30 MM Tube
 
http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-20x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P502.aspx
 
 


Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - September/30/2009 at 01:44]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:33:25 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241990#241990 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : MM, it's interesting that... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241985#241985 Author: Dave Wilson
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 23:16

MM, it's interesting that you're implying that this mechanical device basically can't fail. the 3 things you suggested aren't the problem either. although, i've always been suspicious of the parallax. 100 and 200 seem close. but it goes to invinity on about the 250 setting. anything greater is just worse parallax.]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:16:04 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241985#241985 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Interesting circumstance. If you... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241875#241875 Author: Mike McDonald
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 18:20

Interesting circumstance.  If you bisect a scope and look at the internals, there doesn't seem to be anything that could float around loosely, that recoil could cause to "settle" after a few shots. Erector assembly is fixed at the rea.r on a hiem joint and rests on two bearing bosses at 12:00 O'Clock and 3:00 O'Clock,  and is suspended by a spring assembly .

If the spring is at fault then every shot is wild, and if the erector tube rides over one of the bosses ( supersnipers can't do this) then any adjustment becomes a "Z" axis movement.
The parralax assembly slides axially down the major force of the generated recoil, both from the cartridge, and then the muzzle brake effect.
 Loose turret screws, improper parallax and reticle not fully focused come to mind as a few things I might look at.
]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:20:01 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241875#241875 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : I'll call them, just can't... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241822#241822 Author: Dave Wilson
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 13:26

I'll call them, just can't till i get home.]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:26:48 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241822#241822 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Call SWFA and they will take care... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241806#241806 Author: supertool73
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 12:24

Call SWFA and they will take care of you.  Have no worries about that.   (972) SCOPE-IT (726-7348)]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:24:35 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241806#241806 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : i have a 20x Lupy that i put on... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241804#241804 Author: Dave Wilson
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 12:15

i have a 20x Lupy that i put on and it will consistantly shoot .25-.5moa. alas i simply can't take that scope backpack hunting. when i crank the turrets, and come back to zero, which for me is about 3" high at 100, the SS will string bullets from 5.5' high to 2' high almost every time, and doesn't always "settle" at the same place. i shot at 700 the other day and had bullets strung up and down 16".
   all mounts seem fine , i've had them off several times as well as other rings. and yes, i always turn into the spring.
  we're setting up on a series of meadows that can present shooting from 500 to whatever. like i said, my fingers are crossed.
 
]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:15:50 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241804#241804 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : I'm betting they will over-night... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241793#241793 Author: danjojoUSMC
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 11:51

I'm betting they will over-night you a new one if you send it in Mr. Wilson.  It is not acceptable for a scope that is advertising as .50 cal ready and I know they will not stand for that.

Since you say it settles in you should check your rings/mount because I don't know if a loose lense (etched reticle) will behave like that.
 
Please post some pictures of the WY elk hunt for those of us not as fortunate Big Smile
]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:51:04 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241793#241793 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : i bought a 20x SS a while back... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241790#241790 Author: Dave Wilson
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/29/2009 at 11:41

i bought a 20x SS a while back and i'm not very impressed. it simply doesn't hold zero. i have a fairly light ( 9 lbs.) 338/300 ultra mag with a holland radial port brake and i don't think the scope can take it. it always strings impacts down about 2 moa and finally settles in after 3 rounds. of course it doesn't always settle in on the same place. i'm out here in Wy getting ready to elk hunt and i simply will not turn those turrets. i have all the distances for the dots and basically just keeping my fingers crossed.
  when i get home i'm going to try and get my money back.
]]> Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:41:49 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=241790#241790 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : My 10x42(same internal mechanism... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=240789#240789 Author: billyburl2
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/25/2009 at 18:52

My 10x42(same internal mechanism different  mag.)  Has 4 complete turns plus 11.25 m.o.a.(Thats 71.25m.o.a. from a 100yd. zero)]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:52:19 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=240789#240789 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Originally posted by Rodinal220I... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=240735#240735 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/25/2009 at 15:35

Originally posted by Rodinal220

I am running a SWFA SS 20x42 on my Barrett M99.
 
Rodinal220,
 
What do you have as far as elevation adjustment with the S.S. 20X42? I'm looking for total elevation adjustment from center, not from zero.  Bill T.
]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:35:29 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=240735#240735 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Originally posted by billtI... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=240701#240701 Author: koshkin
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/25/2009 at 13:56

Originally posted by billt

I didn't mean anything by it. It just was a link I was familiar with getting to without a lot of searching.  Bill T.

No worries.

I fixed the link for you.

By the way, I think that the new 10x42HD Super Sniper would be a kick ass scope for a 50.

ILya
]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:56:49 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=240701#240701 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : I am running a SWFA SS 20x42 on... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=240700#240700 Author: Rodinal220
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/25/2009 at 13:51

I am running a SWFA SS 20x42 on my Barrett M99.I have used this combo for 9+ years without a problem.While I do not shoot it alot and the round count is low,240 rounds,the SS has always held its zero and has repeatable adjustments.For $300 its a bargain(cost less now(279) than when I bought it).
 
I once had a chance to compare it side by side with a Leupold 20x M1 Ultra.While the Lupy had "slightly" better glass and better tactile clicks,the SS was pretty close IMHO.The guy had it mounted on a Texas Brigade Armoury M40a1 clone and even he was impressed with the SS,especially when I told him they were $300.
 
The thing I like about my SS is the optiks and the tracking.Once I do the math and then make the clicks,its right on target.My clicks are a bit mushy,but you can feel them.My gun club has a 600yrd range and the 20x is nice and Im glad I went with the high power for my purposes.
 
I see SWFA has new models of the SS and I often wondered what I could get for $600!!
 
]]> Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:51:47 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=240700#240700 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Possibly the best MB I have ever... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239176#239176 Author: Kickboxer
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/20/2009 at 12:11

Possibly the best MB I have ever used... Recoil is certainly less than my 12gauge shotgun, maybe equivalent to my Voere 30-06... has a nice "feel" to it.  It is certainly loud, but it is a deep throated roar instead of a piercing "CRAAAAAACK" like my 30-06 and 7mmMag with BOSS.  I've fired prone from a grassy area near my mother-in-law's front yard (edge of my back yard) and it did not rip the grass from the ground.  I am going to try to do some experimentation this next week. 
]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:11:43 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239176#239176 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Kickboxer, How effective is... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239164#239164 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/20/2009 at 11:24

Kickboxer,
 
How effective is the brake on the Anzio? That's a nice looking rig!  Bill T.
]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:24:13 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239164#239164 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : I went with the offset rings instead... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239163#239163 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/20/2009 at 11:20

I went with the offset rings instead of tapered bases because it is easy to change them out. With a tapered base you've got to live with it once you Loc-Tite it in. The best part is they won't scratch or mar a scope tube, and they hold really well. I've never had a scope move in them. I will most likely use 2 sets when I mount glass to my .50. Not so much for the holding power, but rather for keeping everything rigid. The less it flexes the better. A 10X S.S. has a ton of elevation adjustment, so I'm not going to need to taper anything.   Bill T.]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:20:28 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239163#239163 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : I didn't mean anything by... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239159#239159 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/20/2009 at 11:14

I didn't mean anything by it. It just was a link I was familiar with getting to without a lot of searching.  Bill T.]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:14:45 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239159#239159 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Hey bill, this site is sponsored... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239157#239157 Author: billyburl2
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/20/2009 at 11:05

Hey bill, this site is sponsored by SWFA, so links to other sites that sell the the same things are not appreciated. 


Burris Signature Zee 30mm Rings		Burris Signature Zee 30mm Rings
Stock # - 420587
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$54.95
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]]> Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:05:11 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239157#239157 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : You don't need any type... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239060#239060 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/19/2009 at 16:31

You don't need any type of tapered bases with the Burris Signature Rings. Just buy the offset insert kit and you can deliver any type of taper you want by simply changing out inserts.  Bill T.
 
http://swfa.com/Burris-Signature-Rings-C633.aspx



Edited by koshkin - September/25/2009 at 13:55]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:31:44 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239060#239060 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : billt, are those Savages all set... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239039#239039 Author: danjojoUSMC
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/19/2009 at 14:49

billt, are those Savages all set up with Burris Signature rings?  Trying to think if I want to go that route or get a 20moa base and Talley Lightweight's the good guys on here are recommending a lot.

You guys are blessed to have the legal rights to own and money to invest in these big 50's, they are a beautiful thing to see in action.
]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:49:23 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239039#239039 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Anzio Iron Works... Weighs 18lb... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239031#239031 Author: Kickboxer
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/19/2009 at 14:11

Anzio Iron Works...
Weighs 18lb with scope, 18in barrel. 


Edited by Kickboxer - September/19/2009 at 14:21]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:11:00 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239031#239031 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : Originally posted by KickboxerI'll... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239026#239026 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/19/2009 at 13:59

Originally posted by Kickboxer

I'll be shooting with a SS on my .50 soon...
 
What kind of .50 are you shooting?    Bill T.
]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:59:59 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239026#239026 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : I'm definitely going to be... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239025#239025 Author: billt
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/19/2009 at 13:59

I'm definitely going to be mounting some type of S.S. on my Bushmaster .50 BMG. The only question remains is which one. I thought about putting a Bushnell 3200 Elite Tactical 5-15X on it, but I'm a little leery because it has a wire crosshair, and is not glass etched like the S.S. I have these Bushnell Tacticals on 3, Savage's and I've had excellent results with them. With that said a .308's and a .300 Win. Mag. are one thing, a .50 BMG is quite another. These are the Savage's:
 
 
 
 
Top, Model 110 FCP-K in .300 Winchester Magnum
 
Middle, Model 12-F/TR in.308
 
Bottom, Model 10-FP also in .308      Bill T. 
]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:59:10 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239025#239025 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : I'll be shooting with a SS... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239021#239021 Author: Kickboxer
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/19/2009 at 13:34

I'll be shooting with a SS on my .50 soon...]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:34:54 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239021#239021 Super Sniper And The .50 BMG? : I know the SWFA guys are running... http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239010#239010 Author: RifleDude
Subject: 19328
Posted: September/19/2009 at 12:52

I know the SWFA guys are running SS's on .50's 'cause when I was there not long ago, I saw them walking out the door to go shooting with a .50 with a 3-9X42 SS mounted on top.  I don't know for certain, but I don't think they've had any problems with SS scopes on a .50.  You might send a PM to Chris Farris, Brady, or Chris Farris II and I'm sure they can give you some good feedback on this.  SS's are advertised as being suitable for .50's, and they have an excellent reputation for being rock solid, so I wouldn't have any reservation about mounting one on a .50.]]> Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:52:05 +0000 http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19328&PID=239010#239010