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Originally posted by Troubador Troubador wrote:

Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:

they had better perform at an alpha level for half the big boy alpha prices, for at least 5 years B4 they can be looked at as a top level option....otherwise just another mid priced no name wannabe....



So you are asking for Ferrari performance for a BMW price?
Sounds good to me.

And every business has to start somewhere and what better place to start than in the USA, the land of opportunity where everybody welcomes enterprise and wishes a new business all the luck in the world.

Lee

in order to challenge the big boys you have to offer something they don't have, and you better have a patent on it.....or something they do have but at a substantial discount.....otherwise Loco
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Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:


So you are asking for Ferrari performance for a BMW price?
Sounds good to me.

And every business has to start somewhere and what better place to start than in the USA, the land of opportunity where everybody welcomes enterprise and wishes a new business all the luck in the world.

Lee

in order to challenge the big boys you have to offer something they don't have, and you better have a patent on it.....or something they do have but at a substantial discount.....otherwise Loco
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OK Gunny I'll go with that. For me the 'something' that the big boys don't have needn't be some new patented tech though, it could be a combination of stuff that nobody has put together correctly before. BTW I am not saying that GPO, USA product is like this, I haven't seen any of their product yet.
But I can imagine bins with the handling and FOV of Zeiss SF,  contrast and sharpness of Swaro EL and the colour rendition of Leica, with the focuser precision feel of Kowa Genesis but the focusing speed of Conquest HD, eyecups and rainguard from someone I haven't found yet because nobody seems to do these right. Got that? And all for the price of a Conquest HD?
Sounds good to me and I bet you have your own wish list too.

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They are not showing at the Shot Show because the didn't have time to get a booth ordered. They will be meeting prospective customers and press by appointment.

Welcome to OT, Lee.
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Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

They are not showing at the Shot Show because the didn't have time to get a booth ordered. They will be meeting prospective customers and press by appointment.

Welcome to OT, Lee.


Thanks for the welcome Peddler.  Great avatar by the way.

You are right about GPO at SHOT. Mike Jensen will be in the NSSF lounge each day with a few samples of product and you can make an appointment by contacting him at the email address shown on the website.

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Peddlers tail to his posts:
When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.It is difficult only for others.
It is the same when you are stupid.

This reminded me of the one that goes:

Because light travels faster than sound, some folks can at first appear smart until they start to talk.

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I reached out to Mike Jensen (thanks, Lee) and will meet with him at SHOT.  I'll let you know what I think.

On forum rules:  Lee, general rule of thumb is that there is not problem talking about a brand SWFA does not sell.  The limitation is pretty simple: do not post links to other places that sell riflescopes. 

On Zeiss Terra 3X: a few samples I have seen were turds. 

On the team at ZPO: they obviously know how to get a good product to market.  I am very curious to see  what they have planned for their new products.

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Originally posted by Troubador Troubador wrote:

Peddlers tail to his posts:
When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.It is difficult only for others.
It is the same when you are stupid.

This reminded me of the one that goes:

Because light travels faster than sound, some folks can at first appear smart until they start to talk.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

I reached out to Mike Jensen (thanks, Lee) and will meet with him at SHOT.  I'll let you know what I think.

On forum rules:  Lee, general rule of thumb is that there is not problem talking about a brand SWFA does not sell.  The limitation is pretty simple: do not post links to other places that sell riflescopes. 

On Zeiss Terra 3X: a few samples I have seen were turds. 

On the team at ZPO: they obviously know how to get a good product to market.  I am very curious to see  what they have planned for their new products.

ILya




You are welcome ILya and thanks for the forum tips.
Remind me never to mount a turd on top of a rifle.
By ZPO did you mean GPO or has Mike Jensen changed the name already?

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Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:


in order to challenge the big boys you have to offer something they don't have, and you better have a patent on it.....or something they do have but at a substantial discount.....otherwise Loco

Not hardly.  Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns?  I own several "alpha" binoculars, and a handful that give you 90-95% of the performance at fractions of the cost......Vortex Razor Hd, Conquest HD, Toric HD, Meostar HD are all superb.  
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"Not hardly.  Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns?  I own several "alpha" binoculars, and a handful that give you 90-95% of the performance at fractions of the cost......Vortex Razor Hd, Conquest HD, Toric HD, Meostar HD are all superb."

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Originally posted by WJC WJC wrote:

JGRaider wrote:

"Not hardly.  Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns?  I own several "alpha" binoculars, and a handful that give you 90-95% of the performance at fractions of the cost......Vortex Razor Hd, Conquest HD, Toric HD, Meostar HD are all superb."

Everyone is different, but the average practical observer can carve that in stone; it's not likely to change.

like I said on the first page.....just another no name wannabe trying to carve out a spot in the middle of the road.....all the big boys already serve that clientele...and have a trusted reputation to maintain...and stand behind their products even the less than alpha models...and Zeiss even is doing a pretty good job with its low middle class offerings .........the new guy had better have a real good product, at a steal of a price, and some long term financial backing in order to get established....
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Time will tell.  That's what everyone said about Vortex 10 years ago.  
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Vortex doing OK....Zen Ray just a spot in the road....must have run out of cash....

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Yep.  ZR is cheap Chinese junk with good optics IMO
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Zen Ray was going to send me a Fujinon U.B.M.M. when I was in Lake Stevens so I could start doing their repair and collimation. Then, on learning I wouldn't be doing the work for my health—and I was only prepared to charge about a third of what the work was worth—they just lost interest. And that was 6 or 7 years ago.

I have no hard feelings; I understand. I lost a great deal of money and more than a little health trying to keep ATMJ going. Still, the Internet, and having to have a REAL job, drove a stake into the heart of my efforts.
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Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:


like I said on the first page.....just another no name wannabe trying to carve out a spot in the middle of the road.....all the big boys already serve that clientele...and have a trusted reputation to maintain...and stand behind their products even the less than alpha models...and Zeiss even is doing a pretty good job with its low middle class offerings .........the new guy had better have a real good product, at a steal of a price, and some long term financial backing in order to get established....


Can't argue with much of that either Gunny. Jensen is well known in the outdoor sports business with his background including Remington and Zeiss among others. I wouldn't be surprised if he has got good finances. As to the product, we have to wait and see.

You are right about Zeiss's middle class stuff. I have HT and SF and wouldn't be without them but I love the Conqest HD 8x32 to bits. Its fast focus really works for me in some habitats and it is just such great value for money.

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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:


Not hardly.  Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns?  I own several "alpha" binoculars, and a handful that give you 90-95% of the performance at fractions of the cost......Vortex Razor Hd, Conquest HD, Toric HD, Meostar HD are all superb.  


I'll second that and add Kowa Genesis 8x33 to the list. I have experience of this, the MeoStar 8x32 and one of my all-time favourites the Conquest HD 8x32 and they are all terrific. For sure this new brand will have to work hard to find a place.

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Originally posted by gunut gunut wrote:

Vortex doing OK....Zen Ray just a spot in the road....must have run out of cash....



Gunny

Does anyone really know what has happened to ZR?

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GPO, USA has announced that they have hired Murski Breeding Sales to represent GPO, USA in 37 southern, central, northern, and eastern states while Total Sales & Marketing will represent GPO, USA in 13 western states. These sales agencies will be responsible for all channels of trade and all products within the GPO portfolio for these regions.

My understanding from folks in the industry is that it is almost unknown for companies of this calibre to take on a new start-up brand like this.

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