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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/04/2008 at 14:51
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I don't live in Kalifornia, but this crap infuriates me!  I sure hope this insanity doesn't spread elsewhere.  I feel sorry for my brothers in the PRK who are slowly having their liberties stripped from them.  I'm very thankful I live in a firearms-friendly state.  I'm proud of the pro-liberty laws we have here, and I sometimes take them for granted. 

I hope some common sense eventually comes to Kali and eases some of these needless regulations from you guys!
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I don't live in Kalifornia, but this crap infuriates me!  I sure hope this insanity doesn't spread elsewhere.  I feel sorry for my brothers in the PRK who are slowly having their liberties stripped from them.  I'm very thankful I live in a firearms-friendly state.  I'm proud of the pro-liberty laws we have here, and I sometimes take them for granted. 

I hope some common sense eventually comes to Kali and eases some of these needless regulations from you guys!
 
 
 
 
 
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I live in Los Angeles and let me tell you things just keep getting worse. The are very few gunshops left in county of LA, and basically none in the city. The city council has put them all out of business. We can buy one handgun per month, and only handguns that are on the approved list (don't ask). All guns are a 10 day wait. They just relaxed the assault rifle ban, if you can lock a 10 round magazine in an "off ban list" lower, that is now OK. I tried ordering some 6.5mm Swede ammo for my Mauser from Samco, they and a bunch of others will not ship to LA. You can not hunt with lead ammo in the condor range as of last month.

People tell me just leave, not so easy. I own a business and can not transplant it. Should I tell you how The CA State Board of Equalization is tried to take $150K in sales tax they say I owe? Don't even get me started. All I can say folks is get ready! What happens here will undoubted spread across the country, and if Obama gets in we're done! I've comments for shooters and hunters laughing at us here in CA, and that just infuriates me. CA is the battle front. The fight has to happen here before it can spread. The NRA is doing almost nothing. They helped out in San Fran, but they're now where to be seen anywhere else.

We need YOUR help. Get behind the RIGHT politicians, and organizations that will stop the potential disaster that is looming, and those of you in the trade, PLEASE don't forsake us. Jump through the hoops, and let them know we can't be stopped. We are depending on ALL OF YOU!!!
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Originally posted by Fishinado Fishinado wrote:

I live in Los Angeles and let me tell you things just keep getting worse. The are very few gunshops left in county of LA, and basically none in the city. The city council has put them all out of business. We can buy one handgun per month, and only handguns that are on the approved list (don't ask). All guns are a 10 day wait. They just relaxed the assault rifle ban, if you can lock a 10 round magazine in an "off ban list" lower, that is now OK. I tried ordering some 6.5mm Swede ammo for my Mauser from Samco, they and a bunch of others will not ship to LA. You can not hunt with lead ammo in the condor range as of last month.

People tell me just leave, not so easy. I own a business and can not transplant it. Should I tell you how The CA State Board of Equalization is tried to take $150K in sales tax they say I owe? Don't even get me started. All I can say folks is get ready! What happens here will undoubted spread across the country, and if Obama gets in we're done! I've comments for shooters and hunters laughing at us here in CA, and that just infuriates me. CA is the battle front. The fight has to happen here before it can spread. The NRA is doing almost nothing. They helped out in San Fran, but they're now where to be seen anywhere else.

We need YOUR help. Get behind the RIGHT politicians, and organizations that will stop the potential disaster that is looming, and those of you in the trade, PLEASE don't forsake us. Jump through the hoops, and let them know we can't be stopped. We are depending on ALL OF YOU!!!
 
 
How are they doing this seemingly in leaps and bounds? Are you really that out numbered by liberial sell-outs? How is it that these law makers stay in office if there is any real opposition like we hear about out here in the nose bleed section. NC congressmen are as screwed up as any but they don't stay long if they push that crap. John Edwards snowed us pretty good but when he sold out, he had no place to come home to as far as I'm concerned.  I hate to see you folks subjected to this mess but you will deal with it until you put somebody else in office. I think Arnold is great in the movies, but he is leading the way in these issues and it's time ya'll retire him.
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Packing up and leaving the state is just not a feasible option for everyone
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Hey, It's got to be getting to the point that you really have no choice.  We had drive by shootings almost every weekend in my old stomping grounds almost 30 years ago. MS-13 doesn't have any problems nor do they jump thru hoops to get firearms.  When will these moronic politicians figure it out that THEY ARE just as much the problem as the gang bangers. When a law abiding citizen cannot protect themselves from these criminals they give the gang banger free run of the cities.  Do you really want to live in a police state?  That's what it would take to control these psychos. Oh that was SO Insensitive of me, I just don't understand their feelings.

  Somebody stop me before I puke!!!!! 
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Hey, It's got to be getting to the point that you really have no choice.  We had drive by shootings almost every weekend in my old stomping grounds almost 30 years ago. MS-13 doesn't have any problems nor do they jump thru hoops to get firearms.  When will these moronic politicians figure it out that THEY ARE just as much the problem as the gang bangers. When a law abiding citizen cannot protect themselves from these criminals they give the gang banger free run of the cities.  Do you really want to live in a police state?  That's what it would take to control these psychos. Oh that was SO Insensitive of me, I just don't understand their feelings.

  Somebody stop me before I puke!!!!! 
 
 
 
Being in a  national Guard MP company the local police keep us up on the growing gang activity and it is appearent that they have no reguard for anyone. Our local gun stores have seen assult weapon sales jump and the majority of the buyers are of the typical gang member profile. This does make for a problem with protecting our rights but at the same time trying to have a handle on these jerks arming themselves. Some of the dealers will refuse to sell to them but they know that doing so makes them a target. We also have a new run of gang initiations going on, so I have to keep my family advised so none of us become victoms. Recently 6 or 7 wanta-be's went in Wal-mart and took ball bats from sporting goods and went through the store poking people with them. Their instructions were if the person submits leave em alone. But if they stand up then break their arm. This week I'm told they are up to the final. They are suppose to bump your car with theirs at a stop sign or light and if you get out they shoot you and leave. I stay in combat mode all the time now and keep close tabs on my girls. I am told that there are atleast two gang shootings every night here plus stabbings, rapes and robberies. It is so common now that it rarely makes the news. In fact I found out that it is not reported because it would show how out of control it really is. Our police force is under funded, staffed, armed and poorly lead by a sell-out liberal chief that is as crooked as they come. Ofcourse when one of us is forced to put some of them in the ground, then the news is all over it. And we're the bad guy. The only real solution we have is put the death row members on a three month fast track and get them out of the way and then enforce the three strikes and you serve 10 yrs. with out parole. Anybody who breaks probation after a three strike sentence gets death row because they can't be turned. Do this and enforce it hard and the crime rate and gang numbers will drop fast.
 
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"you will deal with it until you put somebody else in office"
 
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You have to admit they have a good plan ----let it get so bad that even a police state is better than the gangs being in total control. At this time both sides are winning. Citizens are loosing.
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Hey, It's got to be getting to the point that you really have no choice.  We had drive by shootings almost every weekend in my old stomping grounds almost 30 years ago. MS-13 doesn't have any problems nor do they jump thru hoops to get firearms.  When will these moronic politicians figure it out that THEY ARE just as much the problem as the gang bangers. When a law abiding citizen cannot protect themselves from these criminals they give the gang banger free run of the cities.  Do you really want to live in a police state?  That's what it would take to control these psychos. Oh that was SO Insensitive of me, I just don't understand their feelings.

  Somebody stop me before I puke!!!!! 


The problem is politicians want us to live in a police state.  That way they have all the power, can still do exactly what they want, but they get to tell us everything we can do. 
They could care less how many innocent people the gang bangers kill, everytime they kill someone it just helps further their agenda. Heck they are probably the ones that supply the black market with guns.  Our country has supplied all the so called terroists we are fighting right now with weapons and training, I am sure the same thing happens in country as well.  All they want is to be looked upon as gods and be able to tell us common folk how to think, eat, and live. 
In a sense the gang bangers are doing their job for them.  The media continually makes us live in fear to the point that we are willing to give up every freedom we have and let politicians run our lives so we can "feel safe".  The war on terror is the same thing, it is just another way to control us so we will submit to whatever they tell us is best.  Sad part is people are to blinded by the media to see what is really going on.  All our so called political leaders are giving it to us right up the ass and the people don't care because it makes them "feel safe".
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Hey, It's got to be getting to the point that you really have no choice.  We had drive by shootings almost every weekend in my old stomping grounds almost 30 years ago. MS-13 doesn't have any problems nor do they jump thru hoops to get firearms.  When will these moronic politicians figure it out that THEY ARE just as much the problem as the gang bangers. When a law abiding citizen cannot protect themselves from these criminals they give the gang banger free run of the cities.  Do you really want to live in a police state?  That's what it would take to control these psychos. Oh that was SO Insensitive of me, I just don't understand their feelings.

  Somebody stop me before I puke!!!!! 


The problem is politicians want us to live in a police state.  That way they have all the power, can still do exactly what they want, but they get to tell us everything we can do. 
They could care less how many innocent people the gang bangers kill, everytime they kill someone it just helps further their agenda. Heck they are probably the ones that supply the black market with guns.  Our country has supplied all the so called terroists we are fighting right now with weapons and training, I am sure the same thing happens in country as well.  All they want is to be looked upon as gods and be able to tell us common folk how to think, eat, and live. 
In a sense the gang bangers are doing their job for them.  The media continually makes us live in fear to the point that we are willing to give up every freedom we have and let politicians run our lives so we can "feel safe".  The war on terror is the same thing, it is just another way to control us so we will submit to whatever they tell us is best.  Sad part is people are to blinded by the media to see what is really going on.  All our so called political leaders are giving it to us right up the ass and the people don't care because it makes them "feel safe".
 
They honestly believe that if they end the sale and ownership of guns, that will cure the problem of "gun violence".  I had one super liberial compare it to asbestos.  "If you get rid of the asbestos you won't have the cancer".  I don't think they want to control everyone, it's just their nieve belief, and the fear of what they don't understand.  They truly want what's best (for them).  It's up to us to diplomaticaly, and politely educate them as to the realities.   Such as what has happend to crime rates in places where the law abiding, responsible citizen is unable to defend themselves.  This is what we MUST do know.  Not yell and scream, and call names.  We have to show them that we too, are a constructive part of this society, and not a danger to those around us.  In my opinion, that's the only way we can win the war, not just a few battles.
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That may be what the liberal common folks believe and that is just because it is told to them by the politicians and media.  But I don't believe for a second that the political leaders of our country want to get rid of firearms to stop crime.  They want to get rid of them so we have no way to fight back.  It is the same cycle that has happened over and over throughout history.  These people want power and then more power and they only way they can truly get that power is to take away the people ability to stop them.  That is the end game and it always has been.  All this other BS is just the vehicle to get there.
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I agree with supertool.  Many of the average followers of these policies truly think that less guns will mean less gun crimes.  They also think that the governments job is to protect us and that the media simply reports on the things that are going on.  In reality I don't believe this is the reason for these policies. 

You could argue that a lot of politicians are dumb (I'll use Bush as an example).  He seems dumb, he does dumb things but he actually refers to himself as "the decider" and I have several examples of him on camera, clearly lying about the events of september 11th.  No wonder there are so many people that believe that it was a cover-up!  Some people propose the idea, and the government is caught lying about all sorts of things!  It is only natural that many would think it was our government.

As for the media lying, I used to think that that accusation was just the result of some inaccurate reporting here and there blown out of proportion by crazy paranoid people.  I know now however that the media truly does control America and how we as a people think.  For instance, even when Ron Paul was being searched online many times as mcuh as any other candidate, he was still receiving much less media attention than Hillary, Obama and McCain.  Then the media actually TOLD America who the front runners were, and although Dr. Paul was more popular than the others his name was not listed.  They then gave him even less coverage and gave Obama TONS of it.  This made Obama's popularity syrocket while Dr. Pauls slowly died.

Even worse is how the reporters themselves mocked, made fun of and utterly stonewalled Paul.  One reporter asked Ron Paul what success would be to him.  Paul said to win would be success and the reporter grinned like an insane man (I'm not exaggerating) and said "that's not gonna happen."

All of this I just sated is 100% true and if you want me to show you one of the examples I talked about, please just ask me and I gladly will.  The more people that wake up to this truth the better and if you want to prove to someone what is really going on in this country, the videos I talked about are great pieces of evidence.
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Am I the only one here who thinks Ron Paul is a joke?  He got the 2nd Amendment part right and some domestic stuff, but his foreign policy take is a joke.

Canis Latrans, you would not happen to be one of those "9/11 Truthers" by chance, would you?

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And McCain is not a joke.  He is not much of a step up from Obama.
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I am not a McCain fan either, but he is VASTLY better than Obama (or Ron Paul).

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I don't take Ron Paul as a joke. I take some of his ideas as out of touch. In several ways he would have been the perfect candidate. But his foreign policy was crap for sure. No one understands the need to stand up and be counted as well as Israel does, and sadly the US is in the same boat. If we do not take the same stance that Israel does we will not survive the aftermath.
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Fair enough.  I think I should have phrased as "Ron Paul as a presidential candidate is a joke".  I can't get over his foreign policy or a simple fact that every white supremacist/neo-Nazi organization in this country supports Ron Paul (and he comfortably accepts their donations).

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I admit Ron Pauls foreign policy needed some work, that is what advisers are for.  Wwe have to protect ourselves and there are a lot of people out there who want to kill us infidels.  But he would have worked his rear end off to fix our monetary problems and get this country back on track, I think that is a pretty big issue for us.  His outlook was to serve the people and the constitution, it wasn't a power thing for him like it is for all these other people.  Mit Romney was my number two choice, but beyond that I didn't really care for any of them.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I admit Ron Pauls foreign policy needed some work, that is what advisers are for.  Wwe have to protect ourselves and there are a lot of people out there who want to kill us infidels.  But he would have worked his rear end off to fix our monetary problems and get this country back on track, I think that is a pretty big issue for us.  His outlook was to serve the people and the constitution, it wasn't a power thing for him like it is for all these other people.  Mit Romney was my number two choice, but beyond that I didn't really care for any of them.


I think you are kidding yourself on this one.  For every politician, it is a power thing, plain and simple.  It is what they do once they get to power is what matters, and everything they do is to keep that power, first and foremost.  All else is secondary.

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Look at his voting record, he has always voted what is best for the country and the constitution.  He has never once voted to give himself a raise  for one thing.  That says a lot to me right there.  He never supports raised taxes or pointless social programs and he is always consistent in his votes.   Show me any other political that can show those things.  He is certainly not perfect but he is closer than any one else that was running.
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I'm afraid that in large part that is because of parties, and the ties that come with that nomination. Even if you could elect an official that was not drunk on the power aide, he soon would be towing the party line. How do you get someone elected that isn't a mainstream party candidate?????? How do you get their vies heard and taken seriously?????
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I don't know Super, That is your opinion, and you are certainly welcome to it. In some ways you are on the money. The fact is that all of our choices we had were seriously lacking in several categories. Which is exactly how we ended up with the one we have now. Had Ron, or Mike, or Mitt been alot more Reagan, they would have won easily.
It's alot easier for the dems, all you have to do is kiss up to the special interest groups and you will win. Hilary should have known this, instead of trying to win undecided on the fence between GOP and DNC votes, those that didn't already understand what was at stake should nbot have been voting anyway.
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Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

I'm afraid that in large part that is because of parties, and the ties that come with that nomination. Even if you could elect an official that was not drunk on the power aide, he soon would be towing the party line. How do you get someone elected that isn't a mainstream party candidate?????? How do you get their vies heard and taken seriously?????


There is an organization that has been started called "break the matrix" that is doing exactly that.  They are trying to get people informed enough to know that there are other options out there.  Ron is actually supporting this quite heavily.  He is not doing it, but his voice is behind them.  I really believe that he is a person who wants to restore our country to what it should be instead of what it has become. 

I realize there is a ton about politics and having the party on your shirt tail that is way beyond me and much more to it than I understand.  But it has to start somewhere and I think he had enough integrity to make a good effort.
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