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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/14/2011 at 15:07
That stock in the Mato barreled action makes Winchester's Super Grade look like a POS. Always liked those rifles and I'm sorry I never picked one (or more) of them up especially if I could get one in 280 which I think they offered. If there is any downside it would have to be that they weren't particular light in weight. I could live with that easily though.
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Roy,
That is a factory stock.  I got it from Beretta.  An old catalogue descibes the stock as XXX  grade Claro walnut with an oil finish.
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DAMN, ar15, you got an EXCEPTIONAL specimen!  My wood is nowhere near that nice, but still nice nevertheless. 

The rundown... Nice wood, great finish, well executed bordered point pattern checkering w/wraparound forend checkering, ebony forend tip, steel grip cap, inletted 2 screw swivel studs, nicely done shadowline cheekpiece, very elegant classic lines, perfectly proportioned in all the right places...
The grip section checkering is a bit small, with a relatively plain pattern, but that's my only real complaint of an otherwise superb stock (besides the fact I didn't get as nice wood as ar15 did!!!).  I can't believe I got this for $140!!!  The deal of the century!

Again, I can't install it on my Mato barreled action yet, as I replaced the factory trigger with a Jewell, which is wider, and I'll have to widen the trigger slot in the stock before the action will fit.

Here's what my $140 got me...





















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for the price, thats one hell of a stock.  Looks nice ted
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Extremely nice Ted and one h*ll of a deal.  I'm very envious.
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$hit the bed those are nice!
take em!
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

$hit the bed those are nice!

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Will pick mine up tomorrow and post some pics.
 
Man, I am excited now after seeing those 2
 
Might get 2 more
 
Ted, do you have a link to the trigger you are putting in yours and are they easy to install?
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RifleDude,

Your stock looks great.  I took my pictures indoors at night.  I should have waited till the next day and photographed it in natural sunlight.  Fot $140 you just can't lose with these stocks.  I liked my rifle with the synthetic stock, but I love the way it looks with good walnut.  Now I have to see how it shoots with the new handle.  I will keep my fingers crossed.  Good luck with you to with your stock, I hope it groups well with the new wood.
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Originally posted by sakomato sakomato wrote:

Ted, do you have a link to the trigger you are putting in yours and are they easy to install?


Bob,
Jewell doesn't offer a trigger for the Mato / Dakota 97 action.  Mine is their standard 1.5 - 3 lb. unit for Remington 700.  The pin spacing is the same, so it will drop right in, but it won't work without some modification.  First, you have to disassemble the Jewell and remove the safety parts (since the Mato uses a 3-position M70 style safety).  You will then need to use washers to take up the extra space on the through pins protruding outside the housing that was previously occupied by the safety lever.  Then, you have to stone the sear engagement surface on the Mato bolt's cocking piece back a bit.  If you don't, the longer sear on the Jewell unit (compared to the sear location on the factory trigger) pulls the cocking piece too far back so that the 3-pos safety doesn't work properly.

The Jewell housing is the exact same width as the stock trigger housing (otherwise, it wouldn't fit in the trigger slot in the action), but the width across the protruding pins requires more clearance in the stock.

I'll explain in more detail this evening when I have time to take a few pics. 

The Jewell trigger is better than the factory unit, but I'm not certain it's so much better that it's worth the extra cost and effort to do the conversion.  I have no doubt you can do the conversion easily, but it's not a job for someone who isn't very familiar with trigger function and/or is lacking patience and mechanical aptitude.  The factory trigger is a good hunting trigger as-is.  I'm just one of those types who can't leave well enough alone.


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Originally posted by ar15a292f ar15a292f wrote:

RifleDude,

Your stock looks great.  I took my pictures indoors at night.  I should have waited till the next day and photographed it in natural sunlight.  Fot $140 you just can't lose with these stocks.  I liked my rifle with the synthetic stock, but I love the way it looks with good walnut.  Now I have to see how it shoots with the new handle.  I will keep my fingers crossed.  Good luck with you to with your stock, I hope it groups well with the new wood.


Thanks, AR15!  I agree; it's an incredible deal!  I still can't believe these stocks can be bought for $140!!!

I like the synthetic stock very well, so I haven't decided whether or not I will permanently change to the wood stock or if I'll just keep it for later use. 

Regardless, I just couldn't pass on this deal!
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wow guys for $140 you got some nice lumber!
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Ted, have you ever tried any of the Shilen triggers for the 700 ? I see they have an all stainless model and that's what I'm considering for an" upgrade "on my 280 Ackley. I want a stainless trigger but don't feel like dropping the coin on a Jewell. The only other plan I have in store for the Ackley is to sh*ttcan the pot metal BDL floor plate. I know that Sunny Hill has a beautifully made SS unit (cause I have one on my 700 APR), but I was hoping to find a SS Williams unit as they are right up there with the Sunny Hill unit for quality.
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Yes, I've used a couple of the Shilen triggers for the 700.  I installed 2 of them on friends rifles.  They are very nice.  I'd rank them right behind the Jewell and slightly above the Rifle Basix and Timney units as far as being able to get very minimal creep and overtravel with a safe 2 to 2.5 # pull is concerned.  This of course pertains to their hunting model trigger, which you would undoubtedly be considering for your 280 AI.  They also have a competition trigger that's adjustable down to 2 oz. just like the Jewell competition trigger.  I've not tried that version.

I have the Williams SS bottom metal on a rifle, and it's very well made.  I wholeheartedly recommend it if you can find one.  I could be mistaken, but I think they discontinued the SS versions, and good luck finding even the carbon steel one in stock either at Williams, Brownells or whoever else sells them.  Williams didn't have any in stock when I ordered mine, and I ended up having to wait about 3 months.  From what I've been hearing, availability has been a periodic issue.
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My Mato has a Shilen trigger.  Beretta used them for the Mato rifle but had Shilen change a couple of parts to increase the weight of pull.  I contacted Shilen and got the replacement parts to make the trigger a standard Shilen trigger.  The pull is now 3#'s and very crisp.  I really like the trigger.

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Interesting!  So Shilen made the Mato trigger and therefore offers a trigger for Dakota 97?  I wasn't aware of that.  If I'd known that in 2001, I would have just bought the Shilen trigger instead of going through the extra effort and cost.
 
I do know the M700 triggers won't work without modification.  The Rem 700 style sear levers are longer than the Dakota 97 / Mato trigger sear, so you have to grind back the cocking piece sear engagement surface to make a 700 trigger work.
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I didn't purchase an entire trigger, just tw small parts, I believe that it was the physical trigger itself (part that your finger touches) and a new sear.   The parts cost les tan $30 if I rember correctly.  My gunsmith installed the two parts and I have had a great trigger ever since.
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I could opt for the PT&G unit as well, but it doesn't appear to be as nicely finished, but they're available in SS and even aluminum with the "inside the bow" release. You're right about Williams not making them any more in SS and according to Ross Williams, they have no plans to make them in SS in the near future. I asked Ross about making them in aluminum and that's a no go as well. Wish I could find some pics of pieces coated in NP3 as that might closely match the look of Remington's SS finish. I would imagine that NP3 would take care of the rust resistant concerns. I did recently see a Williams SS unit at the fire, but the guy selling it was making it part of a package with a McMillan stock which apparently was inletted for the Williams unit. I really like the Sunny Hill units but they're not cheap. I never knew the Sunny Hill unit was available in aluminum, but it is for a mere $350.
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Some quick pics before I lose the sun
 
 
looks like another good one to me!  Excellent
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Really nice, Bob!  One helluva deal for $140, huh?!!!
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