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    Posted: June/16/2012 at 00:22
was wondering which bullet you all think would be the best bullet for all around performance in 165/180 grain going around 2800 to 3000 fps..was looking at the SST(100 bullets = 40$)but was told they dont stand up well for bigger game, the nosler partition,hornady GMX and most of barnes are all a buck a shot.... which is the best all a bullet for the buck..............
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Question one is what are you hunting?
Question two is do you care about being successful?
Next to bullet placement, bullet performance is the next most important factor.
An expensive bullet that helps down the animal is much cheaper than one that wounds the animal and allows it to escape and die.
In many states the hunting regulations say if you wound an animal it is the same as taking it..you could lose a once in a lifetime chance for a trophy or if hunting on private land you may be declared persona-non-grata.
Using cheap bullets to hunt dangerous game will get you or someone else maimed or killed.
Higher velocities require better bullets, in your case at the minimum you will need a Nosler Accubond or Swift Sirroco in case you have to take a shot close in.
These bullets work well for deer up through elk.
Tougher game means you will have to go with Nosler Partion, Swift A-Frame, Lapua Naturalis, Barnes TSX, etc.
You will only need about twenty five to fifty rounds to actually hunt with over several years, most being fired to sight in your rifle each year.
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Bullet placement is the key...If the bullet goes where you want it to, the animal goes down. From your listed velocities, it sounds like you are shooting an '06. And from my personal experience if you hit them in the boiler room they go down. If you don't think your bullet has the penetration to punch through the shoulder, go behind it! For me, accuracy is always the key. If  the bullet doesn't come out the other side, who cares as long as the animal is dead...
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Sierra game kings are great bullets and much cheaper than all the premium stuff
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For cheap bullets, I have had great success with the Hornady BTSP Interlock bullets.  Dropped many animals with them out of many different guns.  Cheaper than the SSTs and I like them better.  The SSTs are too explosive for me.  Had one hit and elk in the shoulder at 80 yards and it didn't even go through the shoulder.  The BTSP do.
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Amaxs work well also, But gulf post is correct, we really need more info on what you intend to hunt!  

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mostly deer and elk,sometimes moose depending on my draws.. i was looking at sierra gameking, hornady interlock and interbonds...i used the gameking before i started reloading in federal premium and they were second to none when it came to accuracy but was unsure how well they would hold up with a large animal like a moose.....
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The interbonds are a great bullet also.  Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have the same secant ogive and sectional density as their interloc cousins.  Not too expensive to check that out, especially at the range, to determine if they shoot well.  I've had good luck with them.  However, with all of that said, my $$ on hunting bullets has been going with Barnes and Nosler lately.  I don't hunt deer with it, but just two days ago I took TWO hogs, one running, one standing, with 55gr TSX bullets from my .223 Rem.  Shot placement is the key, as on hogs I shoot for the ear, but those bullets expand, hold together, and penetrate.  I personally believe that Barnes has changed the game on hunting bullets, and give more penetration, expansion, and wound channel in a lighter bullet than their heavier cup and core and bonded counterparts.  Shoot what you want, but after my testing, my hunting loads have been either Barnes or Nosler partitions.  Here's some gratuitous self promotion for your Saturday (my two Barnes kills from this week):



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Originally posted by bobaldoo bobaldoo wrote:

was wondering which bullet you all think would be the best bullet for all around performance in 165/180 grain going around 2800 to 3000 fps..was looking at the SST(100 bullets = 40$)but was told they dont stand up well for bigger game, the nosler partition,hornady GMX and most of barnes are all a buck a shot.... which is the best all a bullet for the buck..............
 
From an 06 or 300 mag I'm assuming ?
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I like barnes tts.
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I've had good luck with both SGK and SST's, but when choosing these bullets I've always stayed on heavy side for calibre.
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IMHO if you are hunting moose with a .300 Mag you will need a much tougher bullet in case you have to take a close in shoot or the animal does not co-operate and takes off, a backside to front side shot requires a much tougher bullet..I know this form experience.
You can use the less expensive bullets for deer through elk, buy the tougher, more expensive bullets for moose.
Again, the cost is not that great when compared to the cost of the rest of your equipment and the time and effort you will put in getting to your site and hunting.
A box of premium bullets is about twenty-five gallons of regular and maybe twenty gallons of diesel..cheap for the extra performance and peace of mind they provide.
Think of the results, a successful hunt..focus on those not all the other junk.
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this load if for an 06..probably gonna stick with the hornady gmx, 100 bullet for 80 buck and seems to be very well constructed and groups well..was just wondering what the lower end stuff was like,i will give the SGK a try though....much appeciated and thanks..............
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The 200 gr Accubond is about 60 cents each.  They have a ballistic coefficient of .588 which is way up there. 

This is what they do on an Elk at 150 yds out of a 30-06

 
 
Shoot good out of 30-06
 
 
or a 300 win mag
 
 
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Nosler fan myself...........
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the short answer to your question is, if you're putting the bullet in the right spot, any of the previously mentioned bullets will probably get the job done.  the SST's or nosler ballistic tips are probably not going to hold together as well as the monolithic or bonded bullets and thus won't be optimum for larger animals like elk or moose.  you'll also probably want to take a 180 grain bullet as a minimum for these animals for your .06.  a 180gr or 200gr barnes TSX is probably going to work better than a 165gr GMX, especially on moose.

hornady GMX = Barnes TSX
hornady interbond = any bonded core, accubond, ect bullet, incl nosler accubond
nosler partition = swift a frame, winchester xp3

these are all general approximations... meaning they're roughly equivalent

both the hornady gmx and the barnes bullets are monolithic, rather than having a lead core bonded in some way to a gilding metal jacket.  haven't researched the GMX as much, but the barnes bullets are constructed to expand in a clover leaf pattern for consistency.

the interbond/accubond all promise to have a different bonding method to keep the jacket from completely separating from the core, which is supposed to help control expansion and deliver more of the bullets weight consistently through an animal... listos: the bullet doesn't explode, but does expand

the sectionalized bullets (partition, aframe, ect) all have a gilding metal section that basically makes part of the bullet not expand, while allowing the other part to expand.  like the bonded bullets they promise more weight retention through-out expansion.

for the folks that tout sierra game kings... it's basically the same bullet as a remmington core lokt, or a soft point boat tail bullet.   you'd probably save a lot of money buying the remmys.


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Sierra Game kings are a lot like core-lokt's, except they have much higher BC's and are generally a much more consistent bullet. But other than that, ya pretty much the same thing...
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I've been fortunate to kill over 100 head of game in the last 41 years.  Mostly whitetails, mule deer, and aoudad, with an occasional elk and antelope.  Get what shoots best in your rifle and have at it.  Deer aren't hard to kill IMO with any of the hunting bullets today, from corelokts to partitions.  I personally do not like lead free, long for caliber bullets like Barnes X, etc.  I've found that the nosler partition is the most reliable hunting bullet ever made.  It performs as it should every single time.  That being said, I've killed lots of 'em with SST's, Hornady SP's, and IB's.   
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Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Nosler fan myself...........
 
same here. Ballistic Tips (actually Ballistic Silver Tips) are my go to bullets and have been for a long time. Not sure how effective that black coating is, but I can tell you all that I do less cleaning and more shooting w/o cleaning till I get back to the man cave. My 06 loves the 168 gr. and my 300 WM loves the 180 gr Ballistic Silver Tips. I also run the 140 gr BST's in my 280 Ackley. Nosler BT's and the BST's have proven to be the most accurate bullets in my rifles. I remember reading an article by Kenny Jarrett regarding the Ballistic Tips and in short he said that when testing his rifles during load developing and they don't deliver 1/2 MOA groups, he takes the rifle back to the shop to find out what's wrong the rifle.
If you need or want a tougher bullet, the Accubond is the way I'd roll for elk or moose, although in recent years Nosler has added a thicker/tougher jacket to the 30 cal 180's.
 
As some other's have mentioned, I've taken several decent sized bucks with Seirra Game Kings and they are pretty accurate too, although not as accurate as the Nosler's in my rifles.
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dont know much about the barnes stuff but have been working with the gmx's and to a new relaoder not a big fan of how long they have to make the bullet being lead free to get to 165/180 gr. always in the back of my mind on how deep your seating the bullet and how much this screws with compression near the top 2 listed loads compared to a much shorter interlock ..anyways went out and purchased the hornady interlock, interbond and the nosler partitons give all three a try and whichever works the best out of my gun is the winner whatever the cost is........
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I’ll agree with JGRaider use what shoots best in your rifle. It is all about shot placement! If you can’t guarantee a perfect heart lung shot at you personal comfortable shooting/hunting distances then you probably should not take the shot.

 

I am a huge fan of SST and A-Max. More so of SST on four leg game and A-Max on two leg game. I have seen and took part of plenty ballistic test on gelatin using A-Max and it creates one hell of a temporary and permanent wound channel. I used Hornady .308 TAP 168gr A-Max on an Antelope, it was almost a strait on shot that entered the chest cavity and exited from the animal’s left shoulder taking out both lungs the heart and disintegrating the left shoulder to the point the leg was only attached by skin.

 

My friend used his 06 with a 150gr SST on his Speed Goat. He fired two shots and got two hits on him broadside. The hits opened the chest cavity with a huge U shaped hole from the brisket to about 8 inches in to the chest just gone. I know some people like bullets that retain almost all of their weight,  mushroom real well and penetrate all the way through the animal. Me, I want a bullet that will retain about 50-70 of its weight and give me about 20-22 inches of penetration. This puts plenty of devastation into the vitals.

 

I don’t have much experience with bonded stuff on live things but I will say, stay away from Federal bonded soft point. It groups real well at 100yds but I find I am lucky to hold minute of pickup truck at 400yds.  With that said test your ammo at distances you figure is you maximum shooting capability.

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both guys i go hunting with use SST in a 338win mag and a 300RUM and absolutely love them, last year the 338 hit a deer at 70 yard and dropped the it on the spot, the exit wound was about a 2" hole with most of the insides drawn out ...i think the biggest complaint about the SST is if you mess up and the exit wound become the shoulder it doesn't leave much meat....just from what ive heard....
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NICE SHOOTING!
Could you explain that first pic- the one with the bullet sitting in hair?

I really like the 200 gr. Accubond. It hits as hard from an '06 at 600 yds as a .30-30 150 gr. does at 50 yds., but doubt if I'd ever make a shot on game at that distance and unsure how they'd mushroom at that range.
The 208 gr. A-Max looks promising- shoot way out there. Thinly constructed... might have better terminal performance @ long distance than Accubonds, while up- close should mimic SSTs- have about decided that the SST is a sure stopper, but so is a bazooka.

It's important to practice with what you plan to shoot, so considering price, SST may be the best compromise.

Have had jacket separations from old-tech boattails/cup and core, etc, but most have still blown holes through the far side- they are now my practice bullets- now using modern tech, as in the Barnes and bonded- core bullets for hunting. I don't think it matters a whit what you hit 'em with- it's shot placement as well as damage to vitals. Complete pass- through is a worthy goal...

My handgun hunting loads are more than sufficient to go through a deer @ 100yds end-to-end and cut a big hole all the way through. They aren't hollow points...



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For anything but moose, probably about anything recommended so far will work. If I was going to hunt moose - which I haven't yet - it would be with a 200 or 220 gr. Partition loaded with a muzzle velocity of around 2300 fps. I've drilled right through elk and deer at close range with Accubonds loaded to 2750 fps. Most of the moose I've seen have been at ranges under 100 yards. And more than a few at less than 50. I'd expect while hunting to blunder into one in heavy brush at close range.
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

@Sakomoto...
NICE SHOOTING!
Could you explain that first pic- the one with the bullet sitting in hair?

 
Went clean through hitting rib going in and winding up lodged backwards on the far side.
 
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