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    Posted: December/06/2005 at 16:15

All of these were bought on eBay from different user id's that pop up sale off a bunch of fakes then dissappear only to register later under a new user id.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These Leupold examples are pretty poor fakes, I've seen some much better.  The Trijicon and Aimpoint you'd have to have in your hands to realize.  There are also some very good Swarovski fakes out there that we have yet to get our hands on.

 

Caveat Emptor

 

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Chris

          You should have some people put theese fakes to the test and see what they can take then post the results for us.

Optic Quality - Zero retention - Durability - Water proof - Test them on various calibers.

 

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So who is making them? Like I have to guess county of origin...

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We'll mount 'em up and run 'em on a few of our "test" guns once the weather gets a little nicer.

 

.50 BMG Barrett

.50 Beowulf Alexander Arms

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Its going to be a Rhetorical test though!

 

Not sure who is making them other than orientals.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/21/2006 at 15:15
Chris, did you get a chance to mount these fakes and see how they do?

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Weather just started getting nice but it got too nice.  We hit 101 this week.

 

We just got in a bunch of new steel targets.  I'll mount 'em up soon and get some pictures and test results.

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Leupold is not taking it lightly.

 

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We have been testing the fakes that we have and so far none of them have broken.  There is a very noticable difference in them optically as well as fit and finish.  They compare with other scopes in the $100. range.
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Originally posted by Sniper6 Sniper6 wrote:

Chris

          You should have some people put theese fakes to the test and see what they can take then post the results for us.

Optic Quality - Zero retention - Durability - Water proof - Test them on various calibers.

 



I bought one, it was marked "Walther". I mounted it on my heavy Ar15 and the recoil made the reticle turn.



This is bi-directional recoil as it is a self loading rifle - I bet it would have been OK on a 22lr or a bolt gun up to 223. That one may have simply been defective though - who knows? The seller refunded my money. The total cost was only $60 (shipped).

Here is the distributor I bought from:
http://tinyurl.com/37shxz

That seller will not say who manufactures his scopes.

Notice they sell all airsoft products, for example a fake H&K MP5. In my opinion the target audience for these scopes is the airsoft kids, they can get a fake sniper rifle and a fake sniper scope to go on it. (pictured below is an airsoft sniper rifle, not mine)



I don't think there is a malicious intent to fool real gunners. I've heard a couple guys were sleazy and tried to sell them as the real deal - this can be avoided : get the serial number of the scope being sold and call Leupold to check. Or better yet buy from SWFA :)

As I said the scope I got was clearly marked Walther and was not a "counterfeit" Leupold (it was a "copy" of a Leupold). Though some are marked Leupold but with an obvious serial number (like 8888SC) again I think this is simply to cater to the realism for airsoft kids.



Think about it, if you saw a Leupold scope at the gunshow with a funky serial number like 8888SC, and the paint on the turrets was worn, would you spend $500 on it? Of course not.

Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

 

So who is making them? Like I have to guess county of origin...



I have confirmed that there is at least two factories making them in China, this company:

http://www.chinabestsuppliers.com/products_e.htm

Who had this to say about my "Walther" scope:

(quote, sales@chinabestsuppliers.com)

Good evening!
Many thanks for your inquiry and interests in our products,
After a discussion with our managers,
We guess that the "Walther" scope may be made by the manufacturers in Nantong city,
The scope manufacturers in Nantong only make civilian grade scopes,
All our riflescopes are military grade,

1.The price of GF001 3-10x40 is 40USD/pc(including mounts)
The total weight of 1sample(after packing) is around 1.1Kgs
So the shipping cost to USA is 56USD,

2.We offer 2 year warranty on our scopes,

3.Our scopes go through 5 steps of shock-proof testing before shipment,
It's no problem to use with 223 caliber semi-auto rifle,

4.We usually only mark item code,magnification and dial adjustment figures on the scope,
We also can mark company logo on the scope body at request of customers,
All the marking is done with laser engraving,it's everlasting,

(end quote)

Cheers,
Craig



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 I don't want to know if they're any good or not .... I don't want one !  Are they selling fake rings and mounts too ?  I see you have a canatlever mount posted .
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Yes they are selling more fake mounts than optics.
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 Oh well yet another reason to shop here only ..... man I feel sorry for the guy or guys who got the fakes " scopes " .... the last shotgun light mount I bought there a year ago was for a rifle not a shotgun .... the idiots in wing wong said my barrel must be oversized ..... duhhhh .... that did it ... my index finger may have fit in it .... if you give them a negative .... they give one back and ebay is as good as squat to help anymore . Anybody have a 4-10 who wants a barrel mount ?
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The only place that I would mount a Chinese fake scope would be taped at the muzzle end of the barrel.  The company that I worked for had the same problem in China.  A company appeared down the street and started marketing "Dxxg Bxxg Medical Products Ltd" after we opened our plant in China.  They mirrored our products and patents but actually made useless junk in plain paper packaging that was not even sterile.
 
Leupold and/or others should take these companies who are cheating through China Inc. to the Hague, World Court and sue them collectively for patent and trademark infringement.  China signed the accords and WTO agreements with our sponsership.  They need a lesson in the cost of dishonesty which they won't get in the PRC because they are all in on the joke, take and corruption.
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I know this is an old post but they are still out there. I recently ran accross a MK4 Tactical on ebay. When I asked them to send me the serial number of the product so I could verify it it magically dissapeared from ebay.
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how could we spot a fake SS 10 if there is any out there
I wasn't upset about the black cat crossing my path this morning but mouthing "your fu@#ed" as he passed was just rude.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris Farris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/08/2010 at 13:17
The ones we have seen are obvious fakes as they look nothing like ours, they just use the name and descriptions from ours.  I've only seen them on eBay.
 
 
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OK thanks Chris
I wasn't upset about the black cat crossing my path this morning but mouthing "your fu@#ed" as he passed was just rude.

If Guns kill people mine are all defective
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Originally posted by silver silver wrote:

 

 

So who is making them? Like I have to guess county of origin...

You could always blame on the Chinese Yippee But they make rocket and space craft too Loco
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Duce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/18/2011 at 13:08
The optics fake business is expanding on ebay, I saw some expensive camera lens for sale at a price way to low for the real thing. I called the manufacture and they were taken off the site same day.
 
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