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    Posted: December/10/2009 at 11:56
First Impressions: I've had my first Six X (2-12X40 3P4 Reticle) for a few days now so I thought I would give my first impressions. Upon receiving the box you would think this scope is going to be close to 18in long based upon the length of the box. No worries though, it is how they pack the accessories not the length of the scope that causes the box to be so long. The first thing you will notice when you open the box is the fact that they have included the correct Buttler Creek flip up caps in place of the old bikini type lens covers. Kudos to Burris for this. While it is not difficult or expensive to obtain the correct caps the fact that they are included just means less hassle. To me it also says they are listening to the customer and working to supply the customer with the items that work. Also included is a neoprene cover that fits the scope very well for storage. While the scope is not nearly as long as the box it comes in it is by no means a small scope. It is a substantial piece of equipment even with a 40mm objective. The factory lists the weight as 18oz and my scale came up with 17.6. Any Burris owner will immediatly notice the rubber coated power ring in place of the rotating eyepiece. It's nice to see Burris go back to the traditional power ring but unfortunately this is the one place I have issues with the scope. The rubber ring is placed over top the actual power ring and is held in place by nipples that fit into holes in the actual ring. Because it is not glued down this causes the rubber ring to bunch up while rotating. Now on to the good stuff. The glass is sharp and clear from edge to edge at all power ranges. The scope that this replaced was  a Nikon Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42. The glass seems comparable to if not a little better than the Nikon especially when comparing them after sunset. Because this scope has the 3p4 reticle the reticle is much more visible than the Nikoplex in low light conditions. The eye relief is advertised as 4in and is all of that if not more at 2x. At 12x it is still at least 3 1/2in. Because of the long eye relief however eye position seems to be much more critical than it does with scopes having shorter eye relief. Because your eye is farther from the scope there is more of a sense of looking down a tube than there is with scope that have less eye relief. At first this makes it seem as though the field of view is not nearly as large with the Burris, however, when comparing them side by side on 2x they are very close, maybe a slight edge in FOV to the Nikon.

The Burris is advertised as having Storm Coat and this is a coating that obviously works. On the day I received the scope it was a balmy 7F and snowing here in CO. At about 7pm I brought the scope outside and let it sit out there for awhile. Before bringing it in I made sure the lenses both got snowed on a bit to provide some moisture. Picking the scope up and looking through it there was no evidence of moisture or fogging on the lenses. It was a verry bright night due to the reflection of city lights off of the low clouds and snow and in these conditions the brightness and clarity was outstanding on any power setting. After bringing the Scope back inside I fully expected some fogging on the lenses but surprisingly there was none. The view was still crystal clear with no signs of fogging or moisture. This is not to say there was no moisture on the lenses, there was, it just wasn't visible when looking through the scope. I did not do this with the Nikon because previous experience has already proven that the lenses will fog for a short period.

Overall I think this is an excellent scope for my application. I wanted a good low light scope for hunting dark timber and early/late in the day but I wanted more than 6x as well. I also wanted a scope to handle all weather conditions and the abuse I generally bestow upon them without weighing over 20oz. And finally I wanted a bit more eye relief than the Nikon since it bit me once allready (my wife got a good laugh out of that though, and yes I know Nikon adverts 4" of eye relief but the 6X definitely has greater eye relief than the Nikon). It is now mounted on a Kimber Montana 338WM in Burris Signature Double Dovetail MED rings. The complete setup with sling weighs 8lb3oz, thus the need for more eye relief. My second Six X in 2-12x40 with Ball. Plex is due to arrive today and will be mounted on a Winchester Model 70 7mmRM.

As a side note. I was at the factory the other morning picking up a scope that I was having modified and mentioned to one of the C/S reps my complaint about the rubber power ring bunching up. He was very attentive to my concerns and stated "that is the kind of feedback they want to hear from customers in the field".


Edited by biggreen747 - December/12/2009 at 21:55
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Well I just opened my second Six X. The rubber ring doesn't slip. Feels as though it was glued down. I'll post some photos of them on the rifles.


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Photo's - The black stock is a WIN Model 70 7mmRM in a HSP Stock with Timney Trigger. The Grey Stock is a factory Kimber Montana 338WM. With Scope and Sling the Model 70 weighs in at 9lb 10oz, not a lightweight but a nice weight for a rifle used for Mule Deer and Pronghorn. The Kimber comes in at 8lb 3oz. Perfect for lugging around in Elk Country.




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OK - I finally had a chance to take these out to the field for a little bit. My first impressions pretty much continue to hold true with one exception. That is the view when looking through the scope. When I was able to get out into the field it seemed much less like looking through a tube than before and when comparing it to some other scopes it was still a bit more noticeable but nut nearly as much as my first impressions. All I had time to do was initial sight in this time around but the clicks on both were positive and 1/4in adjustments were truly 1/4in. I am highly impressed with the quality of the glass, by far the best glass I have in my inventory (no I do not have any Swaro or Ziess Diavari as these are a bit out of my price range). I have not looked through the new VX3 but it most certainly smokes the older VXIII's my friends have. Later this week I will take them out and spend a little more time with them.

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Sounds like you have some winners. Congratulations. I have never been disappointed with any Burris scope I have ever owned. Hope to catch more of your reviews later, So far so good. I will be interested in the side to side clarity as you increase the zoom levels on these scopes.
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Not sure how I missed this review for so long.  Thanks for the write up biggreen.  Now that you have had them for a while longer what do you think of them.  I wouldn't mind having one of them.
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Helo18 - So far I have been very impressed with them. My only real complaint is the one I stated in the beginning, that of the rubber power ring. Both scopes are having this issue now and although it is no big deal if you grab it with 2 fingers it is not possible to rotate the power ring with one finger as the rubber ring will bunch up. It's just a bit annoying. I may try gluing it down to see if that helps. The power ring is also stiff but that seems typical of all the Burris scopes I have had over the years and seems to get better with use. Since I believe you own a Black Diamond you will probably find a-lot of things about this scope familiar, right down to the Black Diamond Notice included in the box. I just purchased a 1.5-6x40 Euro Diamond (I was so impressed by the 3p4 reticle that I wanted one on my muzzleloader) and at equal power settings there is no discernible difference in the image quality or clarity between them, that is to say they are both very good. The image remains very clear with good contrast and good edge to edge clarity all the way to 12x. These scopes seem to be kind of a hybrid between the two Diamond lines. The Six X of course has Storm Coat (like the Black Diamond / XTR) which is something that at the end of my research led me to either the Burris or Bushnell Elite series scopes since they were going on my 2 primary hunting rifles that I expect to work every time and all of the time regardless of conditions. I was having what I thought were accuracy issues with the 338 but now that I have put about 70 rounds downrange with the Six X on top of it I have determined the rifle wasn't the problem and my wandering zero has disappeared. While in the beginning I thought they were very large they do not seem so bad now. They are certainly much larger than say a 3-9x40 FFII but don't seem much different than the Z6's or VX7's that I looked at in the big box store.

I guess at this point I will have to wait for next season to see how they perform in the field under real world hunting conditions. Everything I have seen so far leads me to believe they will do very well.


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Thank you for the review on the Six X. I have the 2-12x50 with 3P4 reticle arriving soon and will be topping my Sako 85 stainless synthetic in 7mm-08 with it. Right now I have a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 on it. I am hoping the amount of light I get in the evening is a bit better and it holds a good zero (I also like the 3P4 reticle). I only have Zeiss scopes but I think this one can do the job for less $ in a 30mm tube.
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CDNZEISS: Please let me know how it compares to the quality of the glass in your Zeiss'. I dont think it will have any problem holding zero for you. 
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Hi BigGreen,

I just got my Six X in 2-12x50 and my first impression is pretty good. However, when I did a thorough cleaning on the lens I noticed fairly dark heavy oil in the sunshade threads which got onto the surface of my objective. This of course caused me to do more extensive cleaning. I compared it with my zeiss at low light in the back yard and the clarity might run just shy of my zeiss but I am not totally sure yet with focus differential on a 3x vs a 6x at short distances. I have to mount it, shoot it, and try it in the field first, but I will let you know. Overall the box it came with had the scope cozy (don't care about that), but the butler creek flip ups were nice, and they fit perfectly. The seemingly tighter target aquisition is something I also noticed, and is indicative of a scope that will provide better parallax adjustment. ofcourse for a short shooting scope that doesn't matter, but i prefer it.
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Just a word on the Storm Coat since that is one of the primary reasons that brought me to purchase these scopes. It really does make a difference. A couple of weeks ago I had a 223 out with a 4-16 Nikon Monarch and my 338wm with a Six X. It was a cool morning with a constant drizzle and fog. Enough to get everything good and wet, including the glass. With the Nikon a 100 yd target was still visible but it was not easy to distinguish the circles or the bullseye. Had I been hunting in these conditions it would have been possible to take a shot at 100 yds or closer but it would have been at a general area and not a specific point on the animal. With the Six X there was much more detail on the target. While it was still obscured somewhat it was easily possible to distinguish the circles and the orange bullseye. While I would not want to take a really long shot in these conditions I belive with the Six X a 200 or 250 yd shot in these conditions would have been easily doable as you would have been able to pick a spot rather than just a general area.
 
As to how they are holding up.. I have no complaints. I have been testing some new loads in the 338WM so I have been twisting the knobs alot more lately than I normally do. They still track true and hold the new zero once set. I am now up to about 200 rds through the rifle with this scope on it so it has had a pretty good torture test since this is my lightweight Kimber Montana 338WM.
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Hi BigGreen-  great thread and ongoing review!  A couple of quick questions for you:

- you have both the German #4 and the Ballistic Plex reticles. How do you compare them?

- How early/ late is the Bplex usable? Are the cross hairs on the Bplex thick enough to be seen on brush?

- did you get the illuminated versions? If so how do you like them?

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IMO the #4 reticle is the way to go. It is highly visible durring legal shooting hours here in Colorado. I have had numerous Burris scopes with the Ballistic Plex reticle over the years and they have served me well. The hash marks do however tend to wash out in low light and against darker colors. As I shoot more however I have begun to steer away from any ballistic style reticle for the simple reason that they are only usable at the highest (usually) power setting and you are still left to guestimate at the in-between ranges. In fact I just sold my Six X Ball Plex for this reason. I am however hanging on to the one with the #4 reticle as it is verry well suited to the rifle it is on and the type of hunting I am doing with that rifle. The glass is very good, the Storm Coat coating works well, and the scope has held up well on a fairly hard kicking rifle so I do not have any concerns about durability. I did not go with any illumination as my hunting is all from 30 min before sunrise to 30 min after sunset. The new Illuminated ballistic plex would probably work much better in low light than the non illuminated but in my mind it is just one more thing to fail or one more battery to go dead at the worst time. 

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Eric: thanks for summarizing your thoughts on this - this is great info.
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I am trying to decide between one of the Six-X and Eurodiamond.  I have looked through a Eurodiamond next to my Swarovski, but haven't been able to find anyone carrying the Six X.
 
So I was wondering, how would you compare the glass between the two? (Assuming you have had the chance to compare both at some time)
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It's kind of an apples an oranges comparison since my Euro Diamond is a 1.5-6X42 but I would dare speculate that they are the same glass with the addition of storm coat glass coating on the Six X. I guess the question to answer would be do you want/need the storm coat? And can you live with the rotating eyepiece of the E/D or do you want the standard power ring of the Six X?

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Thanks for the opinion on the glass.  I went ahead and ordered a Six X.  It should be here tomorrow! 
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Hi - I just received my Six X 40 mm today. Looks great. How are all yours holding up now?  My power ring seems fine.  Not to stiff at all.  

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I went down and looked at a Euro Diamond 1.75-6x40 the other day as Josh at Burris said it was the same glass without the rain coating (as I understood him).  The Euro Diamond had a distinct blurring all around the edge of the FOV.  Maybe 1/4-1/3 third of the FOV was very obviously blurred.  I could watch the cars enter the FOV blurred, transition through the blur to clear then back to blur.  I was comparing to a Night Force 1-4.  Of course the NF was twice the price and had significant more light tansmission and was clear edge to edge.  

I can't seem to find the blurring at the edge of my Six X - so maybe that was just a bad Euro Diamond QC didn't catch at the factory.

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