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Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

You have the "Dreaded Cone of Carbon", a common event which occurs more as the more "over bore" the caliber and powder charge combination. Copper fouling really isn't a problem, but carbon build up will ruin accuracy.
the best carbon cleaning solvents are unsaturated aromatic ethers. light wt. synthetic motor oil. the ether bridge has an unshared pair of electrons, which combines with the carbon residue, and the aromatic rings are a natural carbon solvent. Saturate barrel with a wet swab let stand for a couple of hours, spray out the residue with brake fluid , follow with one pass of JB's bore cleaner , then Kroil

If you had been using moly this wouldn't have happened.
 
Thanks Dale, I will give this a go.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Native Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/12/2012 at 21:29
I want to clarify my earlier statement. I use a dry patch after treatment with the wipe out, then pull a brake free treated bore snake through to put a very light coat of protection in the barrel. Sorry for any confusion.
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After the Wipe Out, I use dry patches until they come out clean or light grey. Then I treat the barrel with Tetra Gun bore conditioner, followed with 1 dry patch to remove excess conditioner.
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I have been using something that has been under a lot of peoples radar. You can find the exact formula online. I have seen it called Ed's red. My formulation is called gungravy.
Easy to make and cheap.
My recipe...
1/3 Valvoline universal ATF.. (use this for low odor)
1/3 low odor mineral spirits
the last 1/3 is a mix of lightweight oil such as 10 wt non detergent oil (3in1)
and orange oil solvent (limolene)
This is some of the best cleaner I have ever used and it is a great lubricant also.
This is a guess ... buut I think this is very close to what is known comercially as Ballistol??
 
It will strip fouling and carbon from barrels you thought were clean!
It just wont remove copper fouling. For that, just add some murphy's oil soap and janitorial strength ammonia (10%) available from ACE hardware to the gungravy. you will need to shake it up real good.
I used this formula on my old Mosin Nagant and big gobs of blue and green came out the barrel!
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I mixed a gallon or so of Ed's Red a few years back and I think I still have a 80% of it left.  I suspect that it will last me for the rest of my life and it only cost a few bucks.

I did separate a little bit of it and made Ed's Red Plus which also cleans out copper.  I use it on my various milsurp rifles with reasonable success.  The one problem with it is that it does not work all that well when you have been using corrosive ammo.

Since I shoot corrosive ammo in my milsupr rifles a fair bit, I started using water-based Slip2000 degreaser before the other cleaners.  It kinda smells like citrus, so it is also not too offensive to my wife (in case I am cleaning guns in the garage).  It turned out that this citrusi concoction is phenomenally good on carbon fouling as well.  So much so that oftentimes all I do is 3-4 patches of Slip2000 degreaser, a couple of dry patches, a patch saturated with oil and then a dry patch.  That leaves the embedded copper in place and takes out most of the other crap.

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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

BoreTech Eliminator
 
Best solvent i've ever used to date.


I agree.  Wipe out is great too, but this stuff is numero uno in my book.  Another "miracle" cleaner is Iosso Bore Paste.  You can scrub and clean 'til your hearts content, then run Iosso through it and see the crap you couldn't get out otherwise.  Nylon brushes are the way to go also.  I still like Butch's best for copper. 
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I have tried this and that..nothing. I tried the lightweight oil. I use Ballistol etc....nothing.
 
On the last clean I took Brasso to the barrel. Black stuff kept on coming out. I had a pile of patches heaped up. I checked the outside of the barrel with a Brasso patch, the patch stays clean, so I am not dissolving the barrel away!!
It seems clean now.
I will use a borescope at some point to check what is going on.
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For years I have used Gunslick Foaming Bore Cleaner with adequate results. This stuff contains Ethanolamine sort of a spin off of ammonia and alcohol and is commonly used in dry cleaning and other industrial applications. I use this stuff with rubber gloves and immediately wipe off any spilled residue from wood, inside actions and other parts. All of my barrels are stainless and a 1-2 hour soak of this stuff appears to remove both carbon and copper. I neglected to remove some of this stuff from an carbon steel ejector in a carbon steel receiver and a good deposit of rust resulted. Traces of rust sometimes form inside stainless receivers used in humid warm conditions.
 
Ethanolamine could attack copper (remove), iron (rust?), rubber (scope parts), brass (ammo?) and is labeled as toxic. Lots of blue-black glop is pushed from the bore upon cleaning with a rod & patch.
 
0W-20 Mobil 1 costs about $7/qt. and appears to clean more carbon from my barrels after the foaming bore cleaner treatment.
  
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

BoreTech Eliminator

 

Best solvent i've ever used to date.


Been using that with copper eliminator every 80 - 100 rounds no problem.
Also heard Montana extreme works well, all of their products are non-corrosive/abrasive.
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8shots, do you use a nylon brush with the Boretech products, as they direct?

I've seen almost diamond-hard carbon deposits before that only an abrasive would take out. I've seen them when the shooter used an oooold-line surplus spherical powder, and a supposedly-new-tech stick powder. Both of these are marketed by the same intermediate company. Perhaps it happens with some other marketers' powders, but where I've seen it is with just a couple powders from the one outfit. Not all the powders they market exhibit this carbon fouling characteristic, but I don't use enough of their stick powders to know whether it's an across-the-board issue with the one manufacturer they buy from or not. I know it's not an across-the-board issue from another of the manufacturers they buy from.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

+1 on the Wipe Out.
There is another foaming bore cleaner that removes carbon and copper, but I can't remember if it's Outters, or Birchwood Casey's.
Wipe Out is still my first choice though. Haven't had to use a bore brush since I started using it.


BeltFed, correct on the Wipe-Out, I use Accellerator first., then Wipe-Out. End of story. I get mine from my gunsmith, it's the only thing he'll use.

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Easy off oven cleaner is the stuff to use..Works great..Be sure to rinse it out of the barrel and apply a light coat of sewing machine oil..    
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Originally posted by runout runout wrote:

Easy off oven cleaner is the stuff to use..Works great..Be sure to rinse it out of the barrel and apply a light coat of sewing machine oil..    

Hmm..I never considered that. 

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I use oven cleaner on carbide-tipped tools - router bits, saw blades. It works great for that. While I haven't seen any rust, I'd be a little leery using it in a barrel.
Reaction time is a factor...
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Soak the bore down with PB Blaster. It's cheap and safely cuts the carbon. Really helps when shooting cast bullets too. I've not used anything that worked as well for cleaning a stainless steel revolver. Crap just wipes off.
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Kroil for carbon, WO or Bore Tech Eliminator for copper.  If I have lots of time it's WO as I just leave it in there for a day or so.  
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Originally posted by shooter07 shooter07 wrote:

BoreTech Eliminator

 

Best solvent i've ever used to date.


+one on this for copper removal.
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Mike McDonald always said the subject of barrel cleaner always brought out "the witches and the warlocks". Wink  

I like JG, love Kroil. That smell.....It just smells....right.Love 
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Me too! Kroil has a mystifying smell...that "I'm here to kick a$$," serious bidness kinda smell. I mix it half and half with Shooters Choice, and the resulting blend is my default bore cleaner, supplemented by the occasional Wipe Out treatment.
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When I first tried KG12 copper fouling cleaner, I was amazed and even almost embarrassed by the amount of embedded carbon which it removed from my "clean" barrel(s). I gave a bottle to a friend and his results were the same as mine. KG12 is no slouch in the copper removal department, either.

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