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What's an hour of your time for .338 Lapua and .458 Lott????????????

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Lemme see, 1000 divided by the rotation of the earth, multipled by the International Dateline, subtract the gravitational pull of the moon...

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I know the .338 Lapua by heart.
 
You have to give me your price on the .458 lott stuff.
 
PPU Brass is $120 per 100
 
Hornady is $140 per 100
 
Lapua is $200 per 100
 
Black hills is $150 per 100
 
HSM is $150 per 100
 
I usually use LAPUA but I have broken down and purchased 1000 of the PPU.
 
I use 215 Federal Primer (Is there any other) at 5000 for $130.00
 
I use VV n560 and VV n570 at $32.00per pound.
 
I use 5 bullets ranging from $.50 to $2.75 just for the bullet.
 
I Would recommend at $65.00 SCENAR 250 or $72.00 SCENAR 300.
 
I Would also recommend the $60.00 Boretech 245gr Solid VLD bullet /per 50.
 
 
 
So a light target round would be about 89 grs of powder ($.40) using a 250gr FMJ at about $.50 a piece using the PPU brass ($1.00) using federal primers. ($.025)
 
  .40 powder
  .50 bullet
1.00 brass
  .025 primer
 
$1.925 per un assembled round
 
for junk plinker ammo
 
For a decent long Distance Round
 
  .45 powder
 1.15 bullet
 2.00 brass
   .025 primer
 
$3.625 per un assembled round
 
For the best I have found
 
  .55 powder
2.75 bullet
2.00 brass
  .025 pirmer
 
$5.325 per un assembled round
 
 
 
The Boretech's are a close second to the best flying I have found and are about $.50 less a pop compared to the LRB's...  A solid for 1.00 a pop is a great price in my opinion.
 
I have lost my contact on the $2.75 bullets I wish I had more...
 
Oh yeah the Cost Of Assembly is pretty close to your calculation.
 
I was told to only load your own.  Wink
 
It is farily enexpensive to get the proper reloading equipment.
 
I am sure your wife would buy it for you...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Add in the vernal equinox, plus the projected price of copper in Paraguay on New Year's in 2525...

Sounds great...

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How much do you pay per 20 now???
 
Besides the stuff you got in the bag have you had to buy some at the store yet???
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Dude, I wasn't kidding or anything.  Sounds very good.  Yes, I've purchased some...


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OH Yeah...
 
I took no offense with anything...
 
I was just showing the splits.
 
Modestly I have a good mix I do keep the cheapie 250's loaded a few k or so another few  in 245's 300's 310's some 162's 165's all in all I have a good battlepack of each Bullet.
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But I was wondering how much people are paying per box now.
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Averages $3.00 to $6.00/round.  I can get .50BMG a lot cheaper.  .458 Lott is about the same, up to about $8.00 / round.  
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I am assuming the best round you can buy at the store is a 300gr with Lapua brass in thta case I can reload those for roughly $2.50 (with less FPS variance and better seating) vs the $6.00 they cost for Black Hills Black Lable or Red Lable or the such.

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I have a decent stock of .223 on hand, but rarely shoot the factory ammo.
Last price I paid for 55gn FMJ-BT was about $85/1000.
Months back, Cabelas had a sale on CCI small rifle primers for $19.99/1000.
Powder is roughly $.085 each bullet (26gn Reloder 15), or $85/1000.
Brass is essentially free from shooting other factory ammo and range pickups.
Total is well under $200/1000 for decent handloads, usually keeping less than 2.5" at 100yd.
 
Time is a factor though. Without a progressive, it does take a good bit of time to make those 1k rounds. For me it is worth it.
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the days of $85/1000 for M193 are gone. Maybe it will get cheap again some day.
I load for service rifle comp. and AR hunting ammo, but also buy loaded for blasting. $300/1000 is about today's standard.
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I reload 223 for shooting rodents.

It is cheaper and more accurate that way.
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I have a Model 700 VS SF II which has a 1-12 twist and shoots the lighter 223 bullets the best (50gr softpoints etc.} Its a shooter and it likes HSM ammo.

I also have a Bushmaster AR with 20" barrel and a 1-8 twist.22 Does anyone know where I can buy good ammo, kinda cheap by the case for it? It needs to shoot 69 or 72 gr. match HP ammo...
 
I also have a Hornady Progressive and Hornady Single, maybe I should just reload, I do enjoy it alot...
 
Thanks!!


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Hey Julio.  I have been loading 75 grain hornady HPBT with my hornady progressive.  Winchester brass, 24.5 varget, cci primer.  They are crazy accurate in my 1-8 and 1-7 twist barrels.  I have got sub 1/2 moa groups with that load in 4 different barrels.  
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hey Julio.  I have been loading 75 grain hornady HPBT with my hornady progressive.  Winchester brass, 24.5 varget, cci primer.  They are crazy accurate in my 1-8 and 1-7 twist barrels.  I have got sub 1/2 moa groups with that load in 4 different barrels.  
I've also had good results with that Hornady bullet in a 1-8 w/both TAC and H4895. Besides, it's relatively inexpensive for match grade.
Have you tried the cannelure version of the Hornady 75?
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hey Julio.  I have been loading 75 grain hornady HPBT with my hornady progressive.  Winchester brass, 24.5 varget, cci primer.  They are crazy accurate in my 1-8 and 1-7 twist barrels.  I have got sub 1/2 moa groups with that load in 4 different barrels.  
 
WOw, vI thought I was teh only one that used Varget in 223s...  You must really tuck that 75 down into the casing pretty far to get them to fit the mag and load in the AR!
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Originally posted by budperm budperm wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hey Julio.  I have been loading 75 grain hornady HPBT with my hornady progressive.  Winchester brass, 24.5 varget, cci primer.  They are crazy accurate in my 1-8 and 1-7 twist barrels.  I have got sub 1/2 moa groups with that load in 4 different barrels.  
 
WOw, vI thought I was teh only one that used Varget in 223s...  You must really tuck that 75 down into the casing pretty far to get them to fit the mag and load in the AR!
Yes. Crunching Varget at that point. One gets used to compressing loads.
Varget is a very accurate powder in .223 and is one of the competitor's top choices.



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Jason,
My memory is horrible. I forgot these recipes below that Wes gave me several years ago. Ive since contacted J. Holliger and bought a match Rifle for my son....Anyway I bought 10 cans of RL-15 to go with the 500 rounds of .224 77 Gr. HPBT MatchKings....
 
I will use these up, then try your load as well.
Thanks!!
J......
You guys might like some of these loads below.
 

Reloading Information

The following are loads that have worked well for myself and some of the more successful shooters. A wealth of 90 grain JLK reloading information can be found on German Salazar's, Florida Highpower Forum. Also be sure to see Walt Radomski's 'Reloading Stuph' page on his New Jersey Highpower Rifle website.


69 gr Sierra (overall length 2.25")

Powder Type
Grains
Notes
Reloader 15
24.0 to 24.8
This is my favorite load with the 69 grain bullet. It is extremely accurate and consistant. Very good velocity.
Varget
24.0 to 25.0
Very accurate. You may have trouble obtaining the velocity of faster burning powders. Also, Varget powder burns dirtier than Reloader 15.
AA 2460 23.5 to 24.0 Very accurate and excellent load. It is a ball powder, so it measures very well. No chronograph data.
Hogdon 4895 24.0 Shoots very well, but it does not meter very well, as it is a medium stick powder.


80 gr. Sierra (overall length 2.450 to 2.485, depending on lot)
(allow for .005" - .015" jump)

Powder Type
Grains
Notes
Reloader 15 23.5 to 24.4 My pet 80gr load. Very accurate, good velocity, and clean burning.
Varget 23.5 to 24.5 Compressed load. You will not get the velocity of the faster powders.
AA 2460 22.8 to 23.3 Ball powder. No need to weigh charges, even for 600 yard loads. Meters very uniformly. No chronograph data, but shoots very well.
Hogdon 4895 22.5 to 23.2 Accurate; good velocity. This is a very good 600 yard load. You will probably want to weigh charges, as it does not meter as well as other powders.

I use Remington 7-1/2 primers, but Federal work fine also. Winchester primers have a tendency to pierce, so I do not recommend them.

Please note there is a lot of variation in the weight of .223 Remington cases. A load that is safe in an R-P case, which is light, may be too hot in a Federal (heavy) case. Please keep this in mind when changing manufacturers of brass.

Just remember, the .223 Remington is a great cartridge, but a .22-250 it is not! Moderate loads will give you good accuracy and very long case life (typically 10-12 reloads), and most importantly, will win matches.

Good luck and good shooting! John Holliger



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i havent pulled the lever in years... miss it
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I'm gonna give that 69gr SMK a go with R-15 instead of Vargay.  
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I haven't tried R15 with 223 yet.  I did try R-17 when it first came out because everybody was saying it burns cleaner than Vargay and adds 100 to 250FPS at same load volume as Vargay.  I only saw about 100FPS gain....
I don't like haven't to keep track of several powers and since I had good sub-MOA results with Vargay in my 308 and 270 went ahead and developed loads for 223 and 300WM in Vargay too!!!  all loads prove to be sub-MOA out to 200yds.  I didn't bother testing them farther as I doubt I'll get a chance at a 200+ yd shot on game around here.... 
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Varget works WELL in my .223 bolt gun and .308. That AR of mine is another story.

Maybe trying to milk sub MOA out of a 5.56mm chrome mil-spec chamber and barrel might be asking too much....

Nah...Big Grin   
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Hey Y'all, it's just cheaper to buy .223 and just leave the brass on the range, the steel crap you need to police up but the brass stuff is 300 blkout I mean eco friendly so no worries there! 



Somehow I don't think I'm convincing enough?
 
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At one time I had a Mini 14 and loaded once fired brass of any kind preferring non-crimped primers, Hornady 55 FMJ bullets, CCI 41 primers and TAC powder. The thrill of having 1000 rounds or so of ammo used in mediocre performing rifle - ammo - scope combo went away and this guy who liked this type of stuff more than I bought the whole works. Occasionally, at the range I hear him hammering away at basket ball size targets.

My move, upon realizing the proceeds of the sale was to get a nice stainless 1-11 twist .20 Practical barrel fitted to an existing .223 Ruger MKII.

After that I bought 600 rounds of once fired RWS .223 brass, 3 more pounds of IMR 8208, another 1000 CCI 41 primers and 3, 250 count boxes of 40 grain .204 diameter VMax bullets.

I had to spend more $ for a Redding .223 small base die, and a Redding FL bushing die with .226 bushing. I used an existing .20 Hornady seater die.

Not to create any arbitrary ill will for .223 fans but in my opinion the .20 Practical is a superior small varmint rifle. The 40 grain .20 VMax bullet has better ballistics than 40 and 50 grain .22's and can be driven at 3750 fps. Hand size, one pound rodents can be picked off at 400 yards with this .20.

The big advantage is the ease that easy to find, cheap once fired .223 brass is used. Small powder charges of 25-26 grains, long barrel life, cheap bullets, are another plus.

Using a 1-9 twist .223 with 68, 69, and the 70 grain Berger VLD's at ranges up to 600 yards would be a different situation.

Both are no just blasting shooting.


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