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I am thinking yours probably has more to do with the stock than with clean cold bore.  It should not take 3 shots to fowl your bore.  The fact that you are getting 2 groups like that lead me to believe it is something else at work, like maybe your stock heating up and touching your barrel.  Or the shooter preloading your bipod differently or something.  
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At the Marine Corps Designated Marksman school we are told to either clean the barrel the same way every day or not at all. My personal instructor told me he had seen better results from students who never cleaned their barrels. I took his advice and was one of the 14 who passed out of 28 who started. We used M14's with green McMillan stocks not ultra accurate weapons but accurate enough. So I only bore snake my rifles once in a blue moon and they shoot well. My 2 cents
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Far more barrels are destroyed by cleaning than my shooting.

That said, I clean my bore probably more than I should, but never during hunting season or when shooting with great regularity. And always with care what chemicals go into the barrel and what goes in last.


And, as said before, I always foul the bore with a shot or 2 after cleaning.  I find clean bore to vary much more than cold bore.
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I use 300 clean patches per cleaning... or was that 3. 
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I have a Remington 700 sps in .300WM, it does shoot better when it is dirty although i clean it every few trips to the range but i do notice the difference between a clean and dirty barrel. I got a boresnake for Xmas so im just gonna give that a try for the whole year, i dont shoot it enough to worry about it being too dirty. I was always told to keep your rifle clean so it operates properly, atleast thats what was told in hunters ed and any gun manual that has come with any of my guns.
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Eventually they got to be cleaned - can you imagine any high velocity rifle fired for over 2000 rounds or more without cleaning - carbon, copper fouling and the like. Many bore solvents are sold. I have read about shooters than never ever clean rifle barrels.
 
Generally I periodically sight in my hunting rifles, shoot for practice, then clean at the range using a foaming bore cleaner with only patches and 0W-20 motor oil for carbon, then shoot 3-5 rounds to check zero one more time then no cleaning until after hunting. Usually the 1st shot through a clean bore does not group like the rest. I am not a serious rifle barrel cleaner. Exposure to high humidity and salt water does change things -- how fast can steel rust?
 
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Originally posted by RotoReuter_DM RotoReuter_DM wrote:

At the Marine Corps Designated Marksman school we are told to either clean the barrel the same way every day or not at all. My personal instructor told me he had seen better results from students who never cleaned their barrels. I took his advice and was one of the 14 who passed out of 28 who started. We used M14's with green McMillan stocks not ultra accurate weapons but accurate enough. So I only bore snake my rifles once in a blue moon and they shoot well. My 2 cents


I had a Marine Sniper come into our booth at the Shot Show this year and tell me
that he likes to have over 200 shots thru the barrel when he goes do any serious shooting.

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I think the misconception about cleaning is actually what you clean. Any semi-auto should be cleaned after a 100rds or so. The Action that is. Especially the smaller cals. 223, 22 and such. I get a lot of cleaning work and though I do a detailed clean of the receiver. Unless the barrel shows issues I will run a dry patch down and thats it unless more is needed. I say this because when guys would ask "How often should I clean?" I would say after 100rds or so, not realizing they interepted that to mean the barrel as well. When you use copper solvents and other solvents you are taking it down to opening the pores again. I learned the hard way that doing that can effect shots up to 10 or 15 rounds before you get back to consistant groups.
Maybe over simplified but when you have people listening to you for advice you have to pay attention to what they are hearing.
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Thinking back to when I shot Hi Power the usual was 10 shots standing @ 200 slow fire, 10 shots sitting @ 200 rapid fire, 10 shots prone @ 300 rapid fire, and finally 20 shots prone @ 600 slow fire - 56 rounds including sighters except for "alibi's at 200 & 300 rapid fire. My .308 load was the 168 gr. Hornady @ 2500 fps using either H4895 or of all powders H380 (probably a messy carbon producer). I never cleaned (sometimes just with patches and WD40) my barrel except before Wednesday practice sessions where we shot 50 to 100 rounds. Usually my barrel was fired up to 100 rounds before taking that first sighter shot for the match that next Saturday.
 
Now I shoot .204's, and .22-.250's at velocities well over 3600 fps so I clean barrels a more and as needed. Small bores at high velocitys vs. .30 calibers at moderate velocities - do only what it needs.
 
 
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