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Originally posted by oldfortyfive oldfortyfive wrote:

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I was just looking at my backup server.  I have 4 of those exact seagate 3 tb drives in it.  Model ST3000DM001-1CH1  So far they are all working just fine.  Been in that server for 1.5 years and they were in another server before this for about 2 years before that.

Then I have 4 of ST4000DM000-1F21 4 tb drives that have been in use the same amount of time also in that same backup server.

That server is used as a backup server for Hyper V replicate.  So it is being written two by 3 virtual servers every 30 seconds.  Plus it hosts my secondary virtual domain controller.  So it is being written and read to often by that server as well.

Strange mine have been so reliable and are used heavily and others are having such a crap time with them.  I honestly wonder if it is not that those backup drives are USB connected.  As I posted earlier, I have seen tons of failures of usb attached drives over the years.  Mine are all connected through a 8 port LSI SAS/Sata controller card.   Or maybe as I posted, I am just very fortunate.

I just got a couple Western Digital Red NAS drive for a Synology NAS device for my boss.  Guess we will see how they work.  
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by oldfortyfive oldfortyfive wrote:

http://www.macnn.com/articles/16/02/01/class.action.suit.launched.today.law.firm.seeks.information.from.owners.132264/


I was just looking at my backup server.  I have 4 of those exact seagate 3 tb drives in it.  Model ST3000DM001-1CH1  So far they are all working just fine.  Been in that server for 1.5 years and they were in another server before this for about 2 years before that.

Then I have 4 of ST4000DM000-1F21 4 tb drives that have been in use the same amount of time also in that same backup server.

That server is used as a backup server for Hyper V replicate.  So it is being written two by 3 virtual servers every 30 seconds.  Plus it hosts my secondary virtual domain controller.  So it is being written and read to often by that server as well.

Strange mine have been so reliable and are used heavily and others are having such a crap time with them.  I honestly wonder if it is not that those backup drives are USB connected.  As I posted earlier, I have seen tons of failures of usb attached drives over the years.  Mine are all connected through a 8 port LSI SAS/Sata controller card.   Or maybe as I posted, I am just very fortunate.

I just got a couple Western Digital Red NAS drive for a Synology NAS device for my boss.  Guess we will see how they work.  

Where I work, we don't get to use USB devices… it is agaiknst regulation… reasons are 1) ease of infiltration, 2) high failure rates.  We cannot attach to any external storage device unless it is periodically chacked and approved by our Cybersecurity personnel.  Not worth the trouble.  Simulation labs use them quite a bit.
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I have 4 of the ST 3200542AB 2 TB drives mounted it my Blackarmor server. all 4 of the original drives have failed and 2 have failed twice in the last 5 years. 2 failed in the first 3 months. It would be hard for me to use Seagate drives again.
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Damn Lile...I didn't know you spoke that gobbledy-gook too. 

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Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

I have 4 of the ST 3200542AB 2 TB drives mounted it my Blackarmor server. all 4 of the original drives have failed and 2 have failed twice in the last 5 years. 2 failed in the first 3 months. It would be hard for me to use Seagate drives again.


Well dang, its crazy I am hearing all this.  I have never really looked up failures just always went based on my own usage.

I have 3 Synology brand 2 bay NAS devices on my network.  Two of them are using ST2000VN000-1H3164 2tb seagates, the other has ST1000NC001-1DY1, 1 tb seagate drives in it.  They have all be running 24/7 for nearly 3 years no issues with them either. 
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Wow!!!

I really wish I understood even a particle of that.

Sorry it shows my age and aversion to electronics that have passed me by.
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NAS is network attached storage device.  You can put 2 physical hard drives in them.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822108189&cm_re=synology-_-22-108-189-_-Product

You plug them into your network router or switch with an Ethernet cable just like you do your computer.  Then they are just used as data storage devices.  You can virtually attach them to your computers so they appear to be a hard drive in the "my computer" or "this PC" window on your computer.  Like your C drive, but you would give it a different letter like G or something. That way you can just drag and drop files to them just like they are on your computer, then you can search or veiw those files in file explorer.  Or you can backup your whole computer to them.

Typically they are set up so the 1 drive mirrors the other in real time.  So there is a constant backup running all the time.  They also have apps for the iphone and androids so you can back your pictures and documents from your phones up to them as well over your wifi connection at your house. 

ALso they can be your own private cloud.  If you set them up correctly you can access your pictures, videos, music, documents etc from anywhere as long as you have an internet connection.  My sister lives in Switzerland.  One of the Synology devices is hers.  She backs up her pictures and her iphone pictures all the way from there to the device in my house every day.  Every times her computer or phone gets on a wifi connection it starts backing up anything new.  

Your can buy NAS devices that hold more hard drives as well.  Synology has some that holds 20 drives.  So you can create some pretty huge and amazing data storage devices. 

The big numbers I keep posting are just the part numbers for the Seagate hard drives. 

Up above where I was talking about servers.  They are just like regular computers (but typically much more powereful) that have a server operating system on them called Windows Server 2012.  They are similar to Windows 8.1 but allow you to install many tasks and roles that are specifically for business use and managing large networks, for data storage, data sharing, printer sharing, backups, and hundreds of other uses.  I have a large number of hard drives in them, they have the hard drives chained together in a sense so it makes a giant hard drive.  Then half of them backup the other half in real time. 

Hope that makes a bit more sense.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

I have 4 of the ST 3200542AB 2 TB drives mounted it my Blackarmor server. all 4 of the original drives have failed and 2 have failed twice in the last 5 years. 2 failed in the first 3 months. It would be hard for me to use Seagate drives again.


Well dang, its crazy I am hearing all this.  I have never really looked up failures just always went based on my own usage.

I have 3 Synology brand 2 bay NAS devices on my network.  Two of them are using ST2000VN000-1H3164 2tb seagates, the other has ST1000NC001-1DY1, 1 tb seagate drives in it.  They have all be running 24/7 for nearly 3 years no issues with them either. 

My NAS SATA is set up so that drives 1 & 2 are access drives and drives 3 & 4 are just backups of the first two. It will automatically rebuild a replaced damaged drive as long as I don't have 2 failures simultaneously. I wish I never had to learn this stuff. I still have a hard time getting  the server to recognize a  new computer and granting password access to the system.
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That would be called a raid 10. Your get the speed of two drives operating together and the redundancy of them being mirrored. Great choice. I just ordered a 4 bay synology today. Going to put 4, 6 terabyte hard drives in it in a raid 10 config
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I did some counting last night.  I have 31 Seagate hard drives in use on my home network.  All of them have been in use for over 3 years.  Three of them for 5ish and two of them for 7ish.   But I did have 3 failures of some 2 tb drives about 4ish years back and one 1.5 tb 5 years back. 

Also did some reading last night and the western digital red drives have the head parking issue that the WD green drives have.  That is disappointing.  I have had a very high failure rate with the WD green drives in home server use.  (obviously not their intended use but...)

Lile, does your Seagate NAS have the actual NAS version drives in it or just desktop drives?  Just curious. 
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Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Wow!!!

I really wish I understood even a particle of that.

Sorry it shows my age and aversion to electronics that have passed me by.
 

BASICALLY he's saying he bought a fancy puter and it still works....
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

That would be called a raid 10. Your get the speed of two drives operating together and the redundancy of them being mirrored. Great choice. I just ordered a 4 bay synology today. Going to put 4, 6 terabyte hard drives in it in a raid 10 config



RAID10 is my RAID level of choice.  I used 4 seagate 2TB drives to give me 4TB total.  I've had great luck with them so far.  I back up on USB type external drives and to carbonite.  I have envy of your setup you said earlier.  That's impressive.  I haven't gotten into the stand alone RAID boxes yet. 
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

S, a number of other things… but for many years they have used the same processor… 
I have three Macs… two are 8 years old, still function fine (can't update them anymore, so one is not highly used, but IS still used).  One is a fairly recent purchase and has all the bells and whistles.  It is superb.
Since I bought the two earlier Macs, I've had 4 Dell laptops and two desktops at work… they just have not held up as well.  When they are working, performance-wise there is little difference between the brands.  I also have an Acer mini laptop that I've had since 2010… it is OK, but has always been pretty slow.  
For the graphics I require, Mac is "it".  However, PhotoShop works on both types.  
I do have a lot more problems with PC-type machines than Macs, some of it imposed by DoD.  
I'll never "change" from preferring Mac, unless Apple makes a drastic change in philosophy.  There are some poor, misguided, tortured souls who prefer PC's… may they someday become enlightened...


Yeah great post Kickboxer, if you got the money then a Mac is a great investment, I would take an old pre-owned Mac even an 8 year old over a Windows operating system almost any day. Use a Mac just dedicated to imagery or maybe music or film whatever work arty work you do, you can still keep your old Windows to browse the net but if you are serious about images the Mac is a smarter way
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Having an older maybe used computer for dedicated photo/video work may be cost effective.  I have one question though about updates on the MAC.  My cousin has an old MAC book that he says is too old to update.  I think he's talking about the OS as a whole.  How long before you can't update the computer software?  Wouldn't you want a fairly recent OS/software to run the latest photoshop and lightroom programs?
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