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Gentlemen,

I'm hoping to get some specific advice for my situation from some optic connoisseurs. Searching on the internet for a few weeks and asking a few people that I know who are knowledgeable, I'm finding way too many options.

The rifle that I'm purchasing is the Ruger Hawkeye FTW in 6.5 Creedmore:
https://ruger.com/products/HawkeyeFTWHunter/specSheets/47170.html

The primary purpose will be deer hunting in the midwest. From what I've gathered I probably don't want magnification higher than 12, and I'm not sure which dimensions will mount best on the M77. I've arbitrarily set a budget equal to the msrp on the rifle, which is $1279. I'm trying to balance what I really need vs what my budget will allow. I would like something that is rugged enough for hunting but also high quality, without getting a bunch of bells and whistles that won't serve any practical purpose.

I've looked through the options for Leupold, Nightforce, and a few others, but am having trouble finding the practical differences between the different offerings that would be specific to my situation. If any of you can offer specific scope options that would be ideal I would appreciate it greatly.

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Vortex Razor HD LH in either 2-10x40 or 3-15x42 configurations.

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I have the same rifle, also in 6.5 creedmoor and it wears a Leica ERi 2.5-10×42 with BDC turret.

The scope is mounted in Leupold ringmounts (medium if I recall correctly) and the bolt handle just clears the ocular piece of the scope, though not exactly with a comfortable ammount of room to spare. It's the price you pay for a 90° bolt lift I suppose, the ocular is 46mm in diameter I think.

This is the second Leica ERi I own, which speaks to how much I like these scopes, the eye relief and eyebox size are very nice compared to competitive scopes that I've looked through or used.

The image is of course very good, and i would describe it as higher contrast than competitors, which I like, though not neccesarily better at resolving fine detail.

It is a hunting scope, and the exposed elevation turret in mrads was something I wanted, and not a ballistic reticle, or a turret with pre-sets like the Swarovski models.

I strongly considered a Leupold VX-5hd, which would have saved me several hundred dollars and also offers a fairly high contrast image in my opinion, and certainly gives up nothing in detail resolution.

I tried bith scopes side by side at sundown, and the Leica does pop more at dusk.

The VX-5 has perhaps the best exposed elevation turret I've personally laid hands on though, two turns with a lock button that functions as an indicator when you are in the second rotation.

I think the Leupold has 40 moa in two turns, while the Leica has 9.5 mil (roughly 32 moa).

Of course, these are scopes that met my criteria, and there are a lot of options depending on your use for the rifle and preffered method of compensating for range.

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Thanks for the replies. I had the Vortex Razor HD and the Leupold VX-5HD on my list. Will take a hard look at the Leica ERi.
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As far as I know, the Razor hd does not come with an exposed turret option, but instead uses holdover reticle for drop compensation.

Fyi, the Leica ERi is recently discontinued and has been replaced by the Leica Visus lw. You can still find the ERi, and at good prices too I think.

Leupold VX-5 isn't a bad scope, but if you have it side by side with the Leica, the build quality alone will differntiate those two scopes in a big way.

The Vortex Razor HD LH (light hunter?) also seems to be discontinued as it's on blowout pricing around here....35% off at Cabela's.

I have not owned the Vortex, but did consider buying one as the price was so good, didn't care for the image as to me it's a lot "whiter" (for lack of a better term) than competitors.

Also, it doesn't have a turret, and the same three models have been sitting at that price for weeks now.
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Thanks for the clarification. I was wondering if the Visus was a replacement since I couldn't find the ERi on Leica's website.
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I'm fairly certain they're identical as there's no mention of optical upgrades, just a brighter illumination range and better looking cosmetics. The external dimensions are identical.

I haven't seen a Visus in person, but the price is a bit lower (matte version at least) than the equivalent ERi model, and there are no reticle options, just the 4a with, or without the BDC turret.
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After taking a look online, it seems the BDC turret option isn't imported to North America.
I suppose an ERi is what you need to look for if you want that feature, or buy from Europe (no idea what the added cost and risk are, probably not worth it).
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I believe the Visus is basically a rebranded ERi.
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Seriously consider the Leica ;)
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Definitely seriously considering the Leica. It looks like the Visus is pretty consistently $1549 online. Sound about right?

Is it worth trying the included Ruger ring mounts?

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for deer hunting in the midwest.... your best times of seeing a mature buck is during low-light.  if you are comfortable shooting past 200 yards or want higher magnification then 3-4x, I would suggest you get a scope with a 50mm objective.. as this will allow you to zoom up the power and still get good light.  You have the budget to get some very nice glass... post pics after you get it set up.
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Thanks for your input Tip69. Is there a specific scope that you would recommend?
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Leica makes a 3-12x50 Visus.  Evil Smile   LOL
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I looked at the 3-12x50 but it seems like it's been discontinued...
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Check again, I believe they just updated it.. the price too. :P

The reticle is now referred to as L-4a

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i see it now. my budget will have doubled by the time you guys are done with me.

for those that have hawkeyes, or the ftw in particular, would there be any obvious concerns with mounting the 3-12x50?
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There are still ERi 2.5-10 X 42’s around at very good prices.
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also, are there any "quality" fixed magnification scopes that would be realistically just as good for my purposes? the only options i've really seen are the leupold 4x33 and 6x42. seems these options, at the same magnification, would likely be a huge step down from the visus?
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Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

There are still ERi 2.5-10 X 42’s around at very good prices.


This is the way to go imo, you can probably save serious money, and will likely have more options available even considering you're limited to what retailers have left in stock.

Both of my ERi's have the #4a reticle anyways, but there are ballistic reticles available in the ERi line.

The Visus has 2.5-10×42 and 3-12x50 both with the #4a as their only reticle option.

As far as 50mm objective, I had a 50mm scope on my Ruger before the Leica it has now, same rings, and it cleared the barrel by 1.5 to 2mm.

It was plenty low though, and suspect you would run out of room for the bolt handle to clear the ocular bell before you could get the scope low enough for the objective bell to be a problem.

I'd take the scope and rifle to a gun shop and try different rings after you buy a scope.
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 I have wasted a lot of money on scopes the last 10-15 years. I tried one from almost every high end maker. Some had good glass but I would lose the reticle. In my opinion, the best hunting scopes are Schmidt and Benders. I have 3 now and will probably replace my others down the road and only have them. Not only are they exceptionally bright but they mostly have first focal plane etched reticles, that are easy to see in real low light. Plus their illuminated reticles are fantastic and adjust really low.

Right now I have 2 german 3-12X42 Klassiks(one L7 and one A7 reticle) and one Hungarian made 3-12x50 Klassik(L3 reticle). The 50mm is a little better in low light but they are pretty close. I have shot hogs this year at 9-11pm in pitch black dark with no artificial lights or moonlight. The quality on the hungarian seems to be just as good as the germans.

The hungarian made ones are in your budget range. And the fixed power hungarians would be less. Of course the german variables with illumination are expensive. I will buy another hungarian 3-12x50 L3 reticle more than likely for my next scope. L7 is my favorite reticle but they do not come on the hungarian models.

 

 

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Originally posted by scoper scoper wrote:

also, are there any "quality" fixed magnification scopes that would be realistically just as good for my purposes? the only options i've really seen are the leupold 4x33 and 6x42. seems these options, at the same magnification, would likely be a huge step down from the visus?


There are a couple of excellent fixed 6x's that come to mind, and given  you're from the midwest I'd assume shots aren't necessarily going to be long ones.    The Leupold FX3 6x42, and the Meopta Meostar 6x42 are outstanding, bright, and optically will get you well  beyond legal shooting light. 
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feel like i'm somewhat narrowing things down:

variable:
Leica ERi 2.5-10x42 ($1600)
Leica Visus 2.5-10x42 ($1550)... not sure why i would (at least in 4a) consider the ERi over this
Leica Visus 3-12x50 ($2000)

fixed:
Leupold FX-II 4x33 ($300)
Leupold FX-3 6x42 ($400)
Schmidt & Bender Klassik 6x42 ($1240)

i may be missing something on the price, but in my search the 4a ERi was more expensive than the Visus
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Originally posted by cbm cbm wrote:

 I have wasted a lot of money on scopes the last 10-15 years. I tried one from almost every high end maker. Some had good glass but I would lose the reticle. In my opinion, the best hunting scopes are Schmidt and Benders. I have 3 now and will probably replace my others down the road and only have them. Not only are they exceptionally bright but they mostly have first focal plane etched reticles, that are easy to see in real low light. Plus their illuminated reticles are fantastic and adjust really low.

It sounds like you need an illuminated reticle above everything else.  That another scope does not have an illuminated reticle does not mean it is a lesser scope, just not illuminated.  For hunters, I am partial to Swaro, I've had very good luck with mine.

Riflescopes, like most things, come down to personal preference - especially when you get into these price ranges.  I always recommend you figure out the difference between a "need" and a "want" and go from there.


To scoper: are you planning to dope the turret or the reticle?  At what ranges are you comfortable shooting on game in low light?


I doubt Nightforce will be your best bet, and I don't buy Leupold products, but there are several great options in your range.  And when it comes to optics, I'd put some weight on Koshkin's recommendations, he has never steered me wrong and has many times sent me in just the right direction.

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