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Cabelas had some double rifles on their website and in the store , I did handle one in the store and the H&H are great rifles but we don't have a lot of use for them in Kansas. I would sure take one if they were giving them away. A 375 H&H is a little much for a coyote but I would do it once.
 
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Hey since you got 2 barrels you might as well do it twice
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Sounds like fun Duce!

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This argument goes back a long way, which is better, the bolt action or double. It is the same argument as which caliber is best. It cannot be won, unless two guys are prepared to stand back to back and count 25 paces, one with a double (clutching two rounds in his fingers!!)and one with a bolt action (magazine loaded, empty shell in the breach) ....
 
 
Many professional hunters swear by the double, equally many by the bolt action.
 
For hunting the animal and getting the first shot in without the animal being aware of the hunters presence, I would prefer a magazine bolt action rifle. If I wounded the animal, I still have two or three shots available, and not one if it were a double.
For following up on a wounded animal I do not think it matters as there is rarely time for more then 2 shots anyway.
I also think that a professional who uses the rifle often can reload a double quite quickly. A once- in -a- while hunter, coming on safari may find a bolt action more familiar.
 
But tht is only me thinking. As I said, this argument helps to keep the campfire talk alive and the whisky go down smoothly, and that is all.


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very good 8shots.......................me, too.....I would be perfectly happy to hunt bad stuff with a double...... 
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One other advantage that I hadn't thought of but is obvious if you look at a double closely; length...for a bolt gun and a double with equal length barrels the double will be shorter(no magazine) hence a little quicker and handier in close cover.
I remember watching a video of a guy shooting hippo, the hippo was in full charge and pretty damn close the dude ran both barrels in rapid succession into the beast and stopped him about 5 feet away. Scared the hell out of me watching it let alone doing it. I guess that was the thing that made so much sense about a double in Africa. You do not know what you may run into at any moment and the only way to keep from being killed by at least a half dozen beasts that live on the "Dark Continent" is what you have in your hands. It is the alure of Africa, the fact that you may not come home period. Survival depends on your skill, your gear and lady luck. Very Cool! Damn I wanna go back.
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Originally posted by n101rg n101rg wrote:

One other advantage that I hadn't thought of but is obvious if you look at a double closely; length...for a bolt gun and a double with equal length barrels the double will be shorter(no magazine) hence a little quicker and handier in close cover.
I remember watching a video of a guy shooting hippo, the hippo was in full charge and pretty damn close the dude ran both barrels in rapid succession into the beast and stopped him about 5 feet away. Scared the hell out of me watching it let alone doing it. I guess that was the thing that made so much sense about a double in Africa. You do not know what you may run into at any moment and the only way to keep from being killed by at least a half dozen beasts that live on the "Dark Continent" is what you have in your hands. It is the alure of Africa, the fact that you may not come home period. Survival depends on your skill, your gear and lady luck. Very Cool! Damn I wanna go back.
...........Handier and quicker for N/A big game and for African use, is why I like my shorter tubed 20" 375 Ruger Alaskan. A shorter OAL in a double or in a bolt has handling and faster advantages. And I will have no charging hippos or elephants on my agenda to worry about. Besides, I`ll have back rifles up should I need em against the big buffs.
 
 
 
 
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I've had Rugers....and had bad luck with most of them, the only one that would group was a #1 in 223. The others were terrible shooters. I have a couple of gunsmith friends and they have experienced this phenomenan and hate working on them. Sometimes free floating works other times they have to glass bed them and some just don't shoot. If I was going to buy a bolt gun for a reasonable price it would be the CZ-USA Safari Classic, it is a fantstic gun and their single set trigger (SST system) is outstanding. Although I don't think they make it in 375 they make it in other calibers for big African game.
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Originally posted by n101rg n101rg wrote:

I've had Rugers....and had bad luck with most of them, the only one that would group was a #1 in 223. The others were terrible shooters. I have a couple of gunsmith friends and they have experienced this phenomenan and hate working on them. Sometimes free floating works other times they have to glass bed them and some just don't shoot. If I was going to buy a bolt gun for a reasonable price it would be the CZ-USA Safari Classic, it is a fantstic gun and their single set trigger (SST system) is outstanding. Although I don't think they make it in 375 they make it in other calibers for big African game.
.................Then you haven`t tried the more recent Rugers.... Out of the box, my Ruger Alaskan groups just fine @ 1.15" or less (outer hole dimensions, not center to center) 3 shots @ 100 yards. Ruger`s new LC6 trigger which came on my Alaskan is wonderful.
 
My late 2006, shorty 300 WSM Frontier`s best group was 0.544" (outer hole dimension) @ 100 yards! I did replace the 5# pull trigger on the Frontier, as I bought that rifle before the new LC6 triggers were standard equipment. It is now at 3#. BTW, the gunsmith loved working on it. Best handling rifle he`d ever touched.
 
CZ is a good rifle for the price, but I much prefer the Alaskan`s (rough it) Hogue all weather/go anywhere, very durable stock w/ the 20" shorter matte barrel and its shorter OAL of only 40.75 inches. No wood nicks, scratching, dings, dents or warping from any extreme weather (hot or cold) to ever worry about.
 
From the 20" tube, the 375 Ruger gives me the same or slightly better performance as a 24" 375 H&H and handles much better as opposed to a full length 375 H&H.
 
My 270 gr. reloads have slightly exceeded 2800 fps. from the 20" er. 
 
Yes! The older Rugers had some accuracy & trigger issues............Interestingly, no accuracy issues with mine though! Based on my own experience, the newer or more recent Rugers are a totally different ball game. 
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Glad to see that Ruger finally addressed their issues. My experience is at least 10 years ago...., probably more with the Rugers. There were always some that were phenomenal R O B one varmint hunter friend had a 6MM that was amazingly accurate... I ordered one just like it and it refused to group... ended up getting rid of it. We free floated it but just never found a load that was acceptable. I really like Ruger revolvers....they are rugged and well made a little heavier that S&W but way more rugged.
The CZ is supposed to be coming out with a composite stock I have heard ...have not seen one yet. I love that trigger on the CZ though.....best of both worlds.
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Originally posted by n101rg n101rg wrote:

Glad to see that Ruger finally addressed their issues. My experience is at least 10 years ago...., probably more with the Rugers. There were always some that were phenomenal R O B one varmint hunter friend had a 6MM that was amazingly accurate... I ordered one just like it and it refused to group... ended up getting rid of it. We free floated it but just never found a load that was acceptable. I really like Ruger revolvers....they are rugged and well made a little heavier that S&W but way more rugged.
The CZ is supposed to be coming out with a composite stock I have heard ...have not seen one yet. I love that trigger on the CZ though.....best of both worlds.
..............CZ is suppose to have a 375 Ruger coming out. On the front cover of the `08 Hodgdon Reloading Magazine, there is a pic of that CZ rifle with a Burris Safari mounted on it. It shows with a wood stock.
 
I`m not familiar with the CZ trigger, but you don`t want too sensative a trigger on a DGR. 3 1/2 to 4 lbs is about perfect. 
 
Big difference between the Rugers of 10 years ago vs today. Like comparing an apple to a pumpkin. New triggers, different barrel suppliers and alot of other goodies have evolved with Ruger rifles over the last several years. 
 
Kinda like comparing the older Bushnells to the newer 4200`s.
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The SST trigger has 2 options for regular shooting just pull the trigger (a nice single stage trigger) and it is about like any other trigger, but if you want a set trigger with lite pull like on the bench or prone for distance shooting you push the trigger forward and then it turns into a set trigger with I think a factory setting (don't quote me on this cause it's been awhile ago) of about 2 1/2 lbs or 3 lbs. and I believe it is adjustable.
This is a really nice concept and really makes it a great rifle....I have talked to several guys that own them and are very happy with them.

I just went on the CZ-USA site and the CZ 550 Safari Magnum is now available in kevlar, calibers are 458 win mag - 458 Lott- 375 H&H all with 5 round magazine capacity and 416 Rigby w/ 3 round capacity, hammer forged barrels and express sights MSRP $1572.00
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cz in a .375 h&H is a great rifle.
 
I have seen an old German gunsmith take older merkel shotguns and convert them to side by sides in whatever caliber you choose. He makes beautiful guns.
 
The side by sides all point better but are much heavier to carry. The bolt guns are lighter to carry and the style of the stock generally makes the recoil much easier to handle.
 
CZ safari magnum in .375 h&h with the traditional curved stock is not a bad recoil at all.
 
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thats 12 ga, my fingers suffer from occasional keyboard dislexia
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Yeah used to have an over & under that had a flaw in top barrel put a 6.5X55 liner w chamber in shot pretty good and recoil was acceptable especailly w 100 gr handloads. 12 guage on bottom, had a pheasant and coyote/deer gun in one. Sold it and the guy changed it to 357 Maximum seems to like it but not as good for longer ranges. Forward eye relief scope gives it more punch too....since I point shoot with shotgun wasn't that big a deal.
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Squeezer should have Holland and Holland build him a Custom .600 Nitro Express Double Rifle "Squeezer Special" Bandito  It's only money, there,  Squeezer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Plus you'd never have to worry about having your dentist pull any of your teeth again!Yippee
 
 
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.600 nitro get a .700nitro
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

.600 nitro get a .700nitro
 
Yes!  I read in Outdoor Life that they have done .700's there.
 
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check this out can you say ouch!
 
 

Load 2671 in caliber .700 Nitro Express

LoadID 2671
Bullet DKT SP
BulletWeight 1000 grs
Powder Vihtavuori N160
PowderWeight 255 grs
Primer Federal 215
Brass Make Searcy
Barrel Length 23.2 (inches)
C.O.L (inches)
Velocity 2547 fps
Group (inches by 3 shot at 100 yds)
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Comment 2 grains of Bullseye as "igniter"
   
Energy 14374 ft-lbs
TKO 254.71
OGW 24784 lbs
IPSC PF 2547
 
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14374 FT-LBS of Energy?    


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