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i understood it perfectly, and the only thing they have the same as a S&B is the .1mrad adjustment offering, and mildot offering. there is nothing else the same. one is a $300 scope that adjustments feel like crap, dont track as good, or operate as good. the other is a $3000 scope that functions great.

i too have lesser priced scopes than my S&B's, since i dont have the coin to scope every rifle like that either, but know better to even start to compare them in any way to my S&B's, or USO's.

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Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

i understood it perfectly,

I don't think you did or you wouldn't be having this argument with yourself. 
Quote to even start to compare them in any way to my S&B's, or USO's.

And neither did I.  You've made that up and put it into my mouth because you felt like having an argument.  Maybe you had a slow day.

How could this be any more clear?
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Anyway, it's no S&B....

Now you're arguing with me, telling me I'm wrong, telling me it's no S&B.  Gee, thanks.    Excellent

But since I like keeping the facts straight,
Quote the only thing they have the same as a S&B is the .1mrad adjustment offering, and mildot offering. there is nothing else the same.

Maybe it's the fact you haven't actually used the scope, but this is simply false.  I can explain in detail if you like.

If this scope really has "nothing else the same," please tell me what does?  I really like these features on scopes, so please, please, please tell me where I can get one that is more "the same" for less than about $2500?  If there are some out there I don't know about, clue me in.
Quote dont track as good, or operate as good.

I'm just curious, since you didn't have yours mounted on a rifle for more than two trips to the range, exactly how do you know how well they track and "operate?"


Edited by Jon A - October/11/2008 at 04:42
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Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

i understood it perfectly,

I don't think you did or you wouldn't be having this argument with yourself. 
Quote to even start to compare them in any way to my S&B's, or USO's.

And neither did I.  You've made that up and put it into my mouth because you felt like having an argument.  Maybe you had a slow day.

How could this be any more clear?
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Anyway, it's no S&B....

Now you're arguing with me, telling me I'm wrong, telling me it's no S&B.  Gee, thanks.    Excellent

But since I like keeping the facts straight,
Quote the only thing they have the same as a S&B is the .1mrad adjustment offering, and mildot offering. there is nothing else the same.

Maybe it's the fact you haven't actually used the scope, but this is simply false.  I can explain in detail if you like.

If this scope really has "nothing else the same," please tell me what does?  I really like these features on scopes, so please, please, please tell me where I can get one that is more "the same" for less than about $2500?  If there are some out there I don't know about, clue me in.
Quote dont track as good, or operate as good.

I'm just curious, since you didn't have yours mounted on a rifle for more than two trips to the range, exactly how do you know how well they track and "operate?"
 
im only having an arguement with myself huh? last time i checked you are indeed replying.
 
please do explain in detail what else this scope has in common with a S&B other than MIL offerings.
 
you can get USO's for under $2500, so there you go.
 
i only had the 10X42 which the OP was asking about mounted for two trips to the range before it took a sh*t, who's to say thats the only falcon ive owned? now your putting words in my mouth.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jon A Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/11/2008 at 20:27
Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

im only having an arguement with myself huh? last time i checked you are indeed replying.

Yes, it's enjoyable watching you slug it out with this strawman you built.  Who will win?     
Quote please do explain in detail what else this scope has in common with a S&B other than MIL offerings.

1)  It's a variable.  If your needs require a variable, "buy a SS" is poor advice.

2)  It's FFP.  In case you don't know what that means, a quick google might help you out.  It will also reveal the sparse selection of lower cost scopes with this feature.

3)  Side focus.  This is the little knob on the left that adjusts parallax.  IOR offers their 2.5-10 in FFP for a very nice price, but it lacks this feature, knocking it off the list for this application.

4)  The reticle similarity goes beyond "mildot offering,"  whatever that means.  Dozens of scopes offer "mildots" but this one is similar enough to the Gen II all the same ranging techniques and familiarity directly apply.  Quite convenient for a practice scope.





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Quote the .1mrad adjustment offering, and mildot offering. there is nothing else the same.

The above shows you to be incorrect.
Quote you can get USO's for under $2500, so there you go.

Not by any significant amount with even basic options.  Regardless, what a dumb answer. 

So you say if one wants a scope with the features above, even for a cheap practice rifle, he needs to buy a USO or better.  I'm sure so many in the market for a Falcon or SS will thank you that very helpful advice.    Roll%20Eyes

Could you miss the point any by farther if you tried?
Quote who's to say thats the only falcon ive owned? now your putting words in my mouth.

No, you put them there:
Originally posted by redneckbmxer24 redneckbmxer24 wrote:

ebayed it. once a scope fails for me, i give it no second chances.

If you'd like to change your story, that's fine.  Please give us details.
Once again:
Originally posted by Jon A Jon A wrote:

Anyway, it's no S&B....it makes an outstanding trainer.

Which word did you not understand?
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Just for the record. Super Sniper......... Nothing, make that NOTHING comes close. Why is that? There is no other doing what these are doing, and for the money invested there are none that can. Look at the number made and owned and STILL IN SERVICE.........WOW
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I have not yet looked at the Falcon, so I can not say how it compares to the Super Sniper.  I certainly like the feature set of the Falcon, but that alone would not make me buy it.  What I notices when I last looked at them is that in the US they have a 5 year warranty.  That is something I am not particularly keen to put up with when the competition is willing to stand behind their products for much longer than that.  Does that imply that Falcon scopes are not expected to ast longer than five years? I do not know, but I will let someone else find out.  There are too many other scopes out there.

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I like the SS, had mine for 2 years, never failed me once....BUT if they would only get in gear and make a variable one that would be the cats ass,  I wouldn't hesitate to buy either a SS or Falcon...FFP, and mrad adjustments would be nice. 
 
I think coming up with a variable SS has been in the works for a long damn time.  Correct me if I am wrong.  Fixed power scopes do have their limitations, but I am happy with it so far, as I only use it for p-dogs, and ringing steel.  I just wish that there would be a variable SS!
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Originally posted by Yotecaller1 Yotecaller1 wrote:

Anyone else care to comment?


Yeah, I'd enthusiastically welcome a variable SS into the fold. I own both the SS10x42M as well as the Falcon 4-14 FFP and think fairly highly of them both. They aren't the equal of my Leupy Mk-4's but for $400 they are pretty decent. Both the SS and the Falcon are made in Asia, which doesn't really bother me as long as they both hold up....which they both have so far.

I recently ordered a lens shade for my SS and it was so far out of spec that the threads on the shade wouldn't even touch the threads on the scope. I called and the person I spoke to at SWFA said mine was not an isolated call on this topic. They said they'd try to get a replacement to me.


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ive got both the ss10x and the falcon 4-14 FFP. i realyy, really, REALLY like the falcon. but...i just went to BADLANDS for the basic LR class. what scope did i take? my trusty super sniper. outta 10 students, i think there were 5 super snipers. none nada, zero problems....and this class wasnt just dainty bench shootin.  my son needs a scope, and i think ive got him sold on a super sniper as well. he cant afford anything pricyer, and im not comfortable w him buyin something that i dont believe will hold up. im tryin my darndest to bust up my falcon, got it on my 300wsm, and ive had no problems so far, but itll be a long, long time till i trust iy like my SS.
 
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