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djcooke
Optics GrassHopper Joined: August/06/2012 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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Hi all I am sure this topic is somewhere in here and if so can you point me to the post...
I am shopping for a hunting/shooting scope approx 6-20 mag preferably FFP for my 300 win mag Is there a good website that compares current FFP scopes that are on the market? preferably consumer level $1500 and less like Vortex, Meopta, Falcon... I was looking on swfa.com but it is poor to compare it only sorts by brand so you have to go through every brand and see what they have and then it is hard to see if the glass is from China or Germany Zeizz is supposed to be the best glass right? Meopta is an america company with German glass considered a great value Vortex is an American company but where is there product made? I am a business owner and would like to support American manufacturing... What other brands should I be looking at? Thanks |
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SVT_Tactical
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www.opticsthoughts.com is a good place to read allot on offering availible
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koshkin
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Almost noone makes scopes in the US other than US Optics, but they are out of your price range.
Zeiss Conquest scopes are assembled in the US, but the components are made elsewhere. Meopta is a Czech company with a facility in the US where they assemble some of their scopes (the Meopro line). Vortex is in Wisconsin, but their scope are made in Asia with different product lines made in different places: Razors are made in Japan, Diamondback and Viper in Phillipines, Crossfire in China. If you are looking for a high mag FFP scope for about $1500, your best options are SWFA SS 5-20x50:http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P51642.aspx and http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-5-20x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P51653.aspx Bushnell Elite Tactical 3.5-21x50: http://swfa.com/Bushnell-35-21x50-Elite-Tactical-34mm-Rifle-Scope-P51675.aspx Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50: http://swfa.com/Vortex-6-24x50-Viper-PST-30mm-Rifle-Scope-P44560.aspx SWFA SS and Bushnell Elite are made in Japan. Viper PST is made in the Philliipines. ILya
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ccoker
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Sparky
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+1 on the SS 5-20.
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Rancid Coolaid
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As a 300WM owner and advocate, I would caution against too much magnification. In truth, glass quality trumps magnification every time.
Additionally, unless hunting from very, very stable positions, you are never going to have your optic at 20X, and you might find yourself in a situation where you wish you had less magnification (more field of view) than 5-6X. My go-to hunting/range 300WM wears a Premier Light Tactical 3-15X. It is frequently on 3X, seldom on 15X, and I have never failed to take a shot due to not having enough magnification. Premier is slightly out of your budget, but the message is don't hang up on the magnification top end, get good glass in a dependable optic. Also get glass that allows you to take shots you will actually encounter. Hunting deep woods with a 15X optic is about as intelligent as taking a recurve bow to a place where all shots are 300+ yards. Unless you hunt at 1000+ yards, then...
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rustic
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What mag do find yourself on most often if there is one? |
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Rancid Coolaid
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6X. With my Gen 2 XR, it is quite clear and detailed, and I have great field of view.
I ALWAYS go into the field at 3X. I have had opportunities to take quick, close shots - shots I could not have taken had the optic been on 10X or 15X. On a Kudu hunt in South Africa recently, our PH took a shot with Remf's gun on a kudu that was very close. He pulled up the rifle to find that Remf left it on 12X and all he could see was fur. He squeezed off a round, missed, jacked another, "pointed" the gun, no optic involved, and hit the kudu in the head. Excess magnification is bad, not enough can be frustrating, but can be overcome.
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rustic
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I went out shooting pds this weekend and practiced using variable to try and brake my habit of always using highest mag. Do you you mostly hunt in wide open terrain? |
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helo18
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I hunt about as varied terrain as you can get. I also hunt with a 300 WM that used to wear a SS 5-20. Excellent scope and match for a 300 if you are only going to do long range hunting. Unless i am in the wood, i hunt on 6x. In the woods, my scope is always on the lowest setting. If i need more then i it up.
As RC said, it is better to have too little than too much magnification for most situations. My 300 is going to get rescoped with 3-15 range or so scope. Enough for close, and trust me, 15 is more than need for 1000 yards. |
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djcooke
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I hunt wide open country and would not expect to shoot less then 100 yrds if not I would take my 30-30... I want to drop a buck a 600 and have no doubt about a clean kill and then go the 1000yrd range for fun.
How bad are these 2? This one is a do all but how good is the glass? How much better are these Thanks
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billyburl2
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The Falcon, is pretty typical chinese, one might be great, the next might be horrible. I didn't think it was worth the risk with MY money.
The Buckmaster is a decent scope, but it is not FFP, and it has a limited amount of internal elevation. The Bushy has its detractors about the quality of its glass, but I have not heard of anybody complaining of the function scope. For the scopes listed and your earlier stated requirements, this would be my pick if I did not already own a SS5-20. The conquest and the meopro are heads and shoulders above the rest in glass quality, but neither are FFP. Neither would be my choice for a long range paper puncher either.
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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djcooke
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How good is the glass on the SS 5-20?
would I be better of not having FFP and getting the Zeiss Conquest 6.5-20 for $200 less because the glass is that much better? |
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koshkin
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The glass in the Conquest is not better than in the SWFA SS. If anything, I thing the SS edges out the Conquest a little in terms of optical quality. ILya
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billyburl2
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I have not even looked through a Conquest, so I can not compare them. I do know that the glass in my SS is spectacular! I also know that the adjustments track extremely well, and return to zero every time.
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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koshkin
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I have not had the two side-by-side, but I have seen both at different times. Conquest 6.5-20x50 is a nice varmint scope. SS 5-20x50 is a nice tactical scope. They are built differently and intended for different purposes. ILya
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jonoMT
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Mr. Cooke, with all due respect, please reconsider your desire to "drop a buck at 600". Trust me, it ain't that easy. There are guys on here who know what my longest shot on a game animal was and I'll never do it again. It took a great rifle with a great scope, a thorough knowledge of ballistics (I've written and published a commercially available ballistics app), a rangefinder, handloads and, prior to all that a chronograph to measure muzzle velocity along with range testing my dope.
Yeah, it's possible and I won't get into the ethics. But don't think just a good scope is going to make that happen.
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Reaction time is a factor...
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djcooke
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what is the Warranty on those lifetime? Where are the SS 5-20s made?
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koshkin
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Warranty is more or less the same on all of the quality scopes.
SS scopes are made in Japan. ILya
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billyburl2
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The scope is manufactured in Japan, for SWFA. And is backed by a life-time warranty, and great customer service.
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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