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cyborg
Optics God Gaseous Clay Joined: August/24/2007 Location: North Georgia Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
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Gentlemen, please note that knowledge and confidence often can lead to egotistic behavior. Those whom you are trying to help will be turned off by this and at that point what you are doing will then be for your own pleasure and bragging rights. By keeping things in a non-confrontational format, all will be more likely to benefit from it.
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Ed Connelly
Optics Retard God of no Chihuahua Joined: December/16/2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 24225 |
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can we all attack supertool's chart now?? ( What a moron he is!!!!..........)
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supertool73
Optics God Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Status: Offline Points: 11814 |
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What??? My chart is awesome. It took me like 10 minutes to come up with that. Ed, I thought we were friends.
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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Ed Connelly
Optics Retard God of no Chihuahua Joined: December/16/2007 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 24225 |
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" Well. if I ss-spent six hundred bucks on a scope, Bub, I'd wanna be able to see in the deep woods-sh at s-sundown and see Ann Sheridan sunbathing by moonlight in her pajamasss!! "
Ann Sheridan
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supertool73
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Good luck with that.
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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Tip69
Optics Master Extraordinaire Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 4155 |
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It isn't THAT you disagree - its HOW you go about it! Gee wiz, this ain't rocket science, its what we learned in kindergarden!
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take em!
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Gunshow75
Optics Apprentice Joined: December/23/2004 Location: Kentucky, USA Status: Offline Points: 209 |
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Tip, I think you misunderstood my intent in the post. It was my way of explaining why I made my comment about nice and polite. I was not trying to be confrontational. I like and have great respect for Koshkin.
I wish I was more tactful, but since I'll soon be 66, it isn't likely that I will change. I can only reassure the members of the forum that while I might sound like an arrogant you-know-what, I'm really not. It is never my intent to be mean spirited. |
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Dogger
Optics Jedi Master Joined: January/02/2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Status: Offline Points: 8915 |
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I know that your not arrogant Tom, sometimes things just sound different when interpreted through a keyboard!
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God save the Empire!
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mike650
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This can be so true with emails and such. |
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supertool73
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ARE.................. YOU SAYING............... IF I TYPE........... IN ALL CAPS WITH LOTS OF THIS CRAP....................!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????? IT IS POOR............ONLINE..........EDICATE??????? Man who knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited by supertool73 - October/15/2008 at 12:41 |
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Dogger
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COME ON SUPERTOOL DON"T BE JERKIN' ME AROUND!!!!!
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God save the Empire!
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supertool73
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SORRY..............SOMETHING...............NEW................I
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koshkin
MODERATOR Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13182 |
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Gentlemen, I know this thread has gone off topic and I am partially responsible for it, but now that it has been verified (and re-verified)that noone meant any harm and we are all here to learn, let's stick to the topic of low-light scope performance.
So far, the conclusions seem to be the following: 1) Gunshow75 meant no harm and was just trying to help (in all fairness he does know a lot about the subject and has much to contribute) 2) Opticsmike will go back to the drawing board for a little bit and try to write a detailed white paper/application note on what he is doing here. Once he does that, it will be easier to dispute his methods or to make suggestions on how to improve them. ILya |
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cyborg
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I'm curious how it will take the affect of coatings into consideration. Glass quality, and optical design also.
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supertool73
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I think that is a big key right there. That is why my extremely simple scale should work. |
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koshkin
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There is no easy way to add those, but we have to start somewhere right? ILya |
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cyborg
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Absolutely your Darklordship. I think that the general idea is a good one. I do however submit that without considering the gains or losses due to quality coatings, glass and design, that the information gathered from such an undertaking can be misleading at best.
It is understood that a low powered 30mm objective, of substantial design and investment in quality will always out perform a scope that is of higher power larger objective and lessor investment.
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koshkin
MODERATOR Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13182 |
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You are absolutely correct, cyborg. For now, opticsmike is concentrating on a very particular case that I would summarize as follows:
"Assuming the same optical quality, how do different configurations of rifle scopes translate into low light performance?" That is the question opticsmike has tried to answer. I think there are some flaws in the way he has done things, but I also think that he has put a lot of time and effort into this and it is worth keeping up. As a minimum, it will have a nice educational effect on the forum. As I said above, I am more interested in a nice write-up of what he is doing than in plots/graphs/etc on a website. A write-up gives me an opportunity to really examine the methodology and, perhaps, help opticsmike refine it a little. ILya |
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cyborg
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I understand and agree. I just hope that it will be easier to follow than what I have seen thus far. Bridge design makes more sense to me than this does at present.
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koshkin
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I know nothing about bridge design, but I do know a little about optics. As a first step, imagine that all of the discussion above uses numbers with only two significant digits to the right of the decimal point.... ILya |
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