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SNIPE
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I was just wondering what is the big difference between the Zeiss conquest 3-9x40 and the conquest 3.5-10x44. Ok so the obj. is a little bigger, why does it cost so much more; $650 as opposed to $450? The eye relief is less; 3.5 as opposed to 4in. Is the quality of glass better? Is the quality of something else better? It cant be just the obj. because Zeiss has a conquest in the same section as the 3-9x40 that is the 3-9x50 for $550. The 3.5-10x44 is like in a different category or section under most cabelas or bass pro shops and other similar catalogs. I'm just wondering why is this so much more expensive and what is so much better about it?
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trigger29
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Some of this comes down to volume of sales. The 3-9x40 is the most frequently used scope for big game hunting. Optics companies sell many of these, so the price is lower. Also any scope with higher magnification is usually going to be higher priced. I think at the higher magnification, the glass has to be better to make the image remain clear.
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thats a a pretty reasonable answer and i wont argue it. although i kinda think its retarded that they do stuff that way Edited by pyro6999 - October/17/2008 at 06:09 |
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DAVE44
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Well, I do know that the Z plex in the 3-9x40 is a little different than in the 3.5-10x44. The center (thinner center section) is wider between the heavy outer lines than in the 3-9x40. So if you want one you should look through the two and compare before you buy.
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cyborg
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There's more glass there, for two obvious reasons. Magnification, and objective size. For this reason additional engineerining costs are there to keep the weight within comfort parameters, There are I'm sure some other design issues that cause this as well. Then as was stated supply and demand.
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Chris Farris
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The reason is not so complex guys, there is no real difference in the cost of the two scopes, Zeiss just makes less money on the 3-9x40. It is sort of a loss leader deal. When they launched the Conquest the flagship 3-9x40 had a promotional price of $399.95. Well sales volume dropped significantly when the promo went away, Zeiss brought back the $399.95 price last year to stimulate sales but have since raised it back up $50 because that is the lowest they can get it now because of the weak dollar against the EURO.
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SNIPE
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so is the 3.5-10x44 worth the extra $200? i do hunt in low light often, so will I notice a significant difference with the 44mm obj.? (by significant i mean big enough for it to be worth around $200 more with just a little more magnification)
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Chris Farris
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The 3.5-10x44 is not worth $200. more, in my opinion. They are too close in magnification and objective size for the human eye to really realize any difference.
One is not brighter than the other if they are put on the correct power to achieve a 7mm exit pupil. The 3-9x40 puts out 7mm on 5.7x, the 3.5-10x44 does it on 6.2x.
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Ah, come on Chris that .5x is going to make it so I can kill my buck easier.
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Tip69
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seriously, get the 3-9X40, you won't be disappointed!
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You will like the 3-9x40. Earlier this year when upgrading to a conquest, I picked up a 3-9x50 at a gun show for $425. I was already set up for a 50mm objective so I got the 50, especially at that price. Otherwise I would have gotten a 3-9x40. a number of which were on the Sample List at the time. You will not see any difference at the lower power ranges and you can mount it lower.
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3-9X40 is a gem! A gift from the gods!
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That doesn't make any sense Trigger. Imagine you have 100 Zeiss scopes and 1.000+ customers that want to buy it. How would you form the price? I would increase the price and make more money :D But that's just me! Slip |
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trigger29
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If you had to pay engineers to develop products, wouldn't it be easier to pay them for developing a product that you sold lots of? Many times products that are sold in greater volume are priced less. I see this quite a bit in my business. I think if you wanted to raise the price of your 100 Zeiss scopes for your 1000 customers, the customers would buy Bushnell 4200 Elites! The development cost of these scopes goes in to the price of the product. If you sell many scopes, that cost can be spead out to many customers. If you only sell a few of a certain scope, a few people have to pay those costs. If your development cost is $1000 and you sell 1000 scopes, you can pay for it with a dollar per scope. If you only sell 100 scopes, then you are looking at $10 per scope.
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SNIPE
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i know that i have posted something very similar to this before but while i have so many people saying go for the conquest, what do you guys think while comparing the Zeiss conquest 3-9x40, and the Sightron SII Big Sky 3-9x42? I've got it down to these two scopes for sure and want to know that i am making the right choice.
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Tip69
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I have the Zeiss, but I haven't ever looked thru a Big Sky, not sure if many have. Are you unable to compare them both side-by-side?
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SNIPE
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no, no one carries sightron around here besides one small shop that has one low end cheap model, so thats why the questions have been a little extensive. (sorry)
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I honestly don't believe that something will become lower in price just because the demand is high for the product. It is more likely that as the new 4x zooming systems on rifle scopes become more popular the optics manufacturers are selling off the lower 3x systems and planning on discontinuing them. Thus a lower price to clear them out. But for me the good ole 3-9 magnification is all I really need for whitetail deer hunting in Virginia.
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Tip69
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This isn't a simple supply vs demand issue here, there are other factors involved! In a simple system, high demand will always lead to higher prices and lower demand will lead to lower prices as will higher supply lead to lower prices and lower supply leading to higher prices with all other factors remaining unchanged. Competition would be one of the "other" factors, so is production costs.
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