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    Posted: March/09/2009 at 14:27
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  Quote matc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/09/2009 at 16:37
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KB, sure you know this, but Myth Busters did the same test.  To get a full pass through, they had use an AP round.  They had the scope mounted on a dummy rifle and were shooting a M1.  They did not say what scope they were shooting at.  They had a gelatin head behind the scope that "caught" the tungsten core.
 
 
They also had one that showed that slower bullets would go deeper into water then fast bullets. this is why I would try to shoot at a longer range so the bullet would move slower and have less deflect from the glass. You could also  load your rounds down if you don't have the range for it  On the myth busters they shot at 100 yards. IMO that is to close to work. I don't think in the myth that they were that close.Whacko
 
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KB, when you set up the scope, do you angle the scope to compensate for bullet drop?

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  Quote RONK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/09/2009 at 20:58
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KB, when you set up the scope, do you angle the scope to compensate for bullet drop?
   It can't hurt to try, but I'd guess that you'd need some pretty specialized  equipment to do that accurately enough to matter.
 The correct angle would be equal to the amount of drop the bullet falls while traveling the length of the targeted scope.  Rather miniscule at 100 yards even for a .458.
 
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  Quote RONK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/09/2009 at 21:01
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Originally posted by SD Dog

KB, sure you know this, but Myth Busters did the same test.  To get a full pass through, they had use an AP round.  They had the scope mounted on a dummy rifle and were shooting a M1.  They did not say what scope they were shooting at.  They had a gelatin head behind the scope that "caught" the tungsten core.
 
 
They also had one that showed that slower bullets would go deeper into water then fast bullets. this is why I would try to shoot at a longer range so the bullet would move slower and have less deflect from the glass. You could also  load your rounds down if you don't have the range for it  On the myth busters they shot at 100 yards. IMO that is to close to work. I don't think in the myth that they were that close.Whacko
 
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 I believe the distance was related by Hathcock as "about 200 yards down a gully", if memory serves me.

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  Quote helo18 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/09/2009 at 21:09
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Originally posted by helo18

KB, when you set up the scope, do you angle the scope to compensate for bullet drop?
   It can't hurt to try, but I'd guess that you'd need some pretty specialized  equipment to do that accurately enough to matter.
 The correct angle would be equal to the amount of drop the bullet falls while traveling the length of the targeted scope.  Rather miniscule at 100 yards even for a .458.
 


Yeah it is going to be really small.  I just figure every bit will help.

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  Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/09/2009 at 22:30
I believe the bullet drop is negligible.  Also, a 30-06 round would most likely be above the velocity of the .458 Lott.    The 30-06 at even 400yds would have a higher than or similar velocity  to the .458 Lott at 100.  I searched around the property the other day and I do have a place where I can set up a 200-300 yard shot with a slope of 17-20 degrees downhill.  My next scope shot may be with the Voere with AP or maybe the Lott at 200yds.  
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  Quote Chris Farris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/10/2009 at 09:22
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As many of you know, Chris sent me a subject scope for destruction (I'm good at that).  As with the Simmons Blazer, the objective was to try to recreate the "shoot the sniper" shot, through the scope.  I set up an identical shot to the one with the Blazer, 100yd, scope at "sniper hide" position.  I had to rezero the Lott, because for this shot, I used the heavy loaded 500gr dangerous game ammo.  Results were nearly identical.  The convex lenses, I believe, will nearly always deflect even the slightest off-center impact, virtually eliminating the possibility of a complete penetration through the ocular lens.  However, I am now searching for a 1960's vintage Russian sniper scope to test this again.  The scope that Gunny Hathcock, according to legend, shot through would have had flat glass lenses and fewer lenses, partially due to the fact that it was most likely a fixed 4x.  Once again, I do not believe, even though the bullet did not penetrate the ocular, that the opposing sniper would have survived... he at least would have been blind in one eye.  The U.S. Optics XOTIC scope traveled about 20feet through the air for this shot, further than the Blazer.  
 
Not sure where you got that the scope was a U.S. Optics, it is not, it is a first generation XOTIC SSDS built for the USMC contract. 
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  Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/10/2009 at 11:10
Roger that, I was dreaming, I think.  It even says XOTIC on the box.  I just wanted it to be a U.S. Optics.   
Anybody got one I can shoot??
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  Quote Steelbenz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/10/2009 at 14:28
Originally posted by Kickboxer

Roger that, I was dreaming, I think.  It even says XOTIC on the box.  I just wanted it to be a U.S. Optics.   
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Dan, you've brought tears to my eyes already.  Don't kill a good SN-3!!!
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  Quote Kickboxer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/10/2009 at 15:08
I think the tears in my eyes were part of the "clouding" of the name.  However, I COULD do it again.  
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  Quote 8shots Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March/11/2009 at 07:41
Maybe you should get this dude to hold the scope for you?  (P.S. I think he has studied your test and believes the bullet will be deflected!)
 
 
 
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