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swtucker
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Topic: SWFA Scope Scale Discussion Thread (2009)Posted: April/05/2009 at 18:13 |
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Are Vortex Razor's new scopes?
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RONK
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 18:18 |
I've heard both ways regarding Sightron's optical quality, some slightly above and some slightly below the 4200 Bushnell. Obviously pretty close, and obviosly pretty good glass in each.
However, I've heard of several mechanical failures in Sightron's line, out of proportion to what I imagine is a far greater number of 4200 units afield. (Maybe I'm incorrect in assuming that Bushnell outsells them, Chris may offer his insight to that.)
I've personally seen astonishing examples of the 4200s ability to handle GROSS abuse.
I must tentatively agree with that ranking, based on admittedly limited knowledge...
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 18:22 |
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According to John Barness the Trijicon Accupoint glass is made by Light Optical Japan same place Nightforce glass is made. I really think that the glass combined with the illuminated reticle places it at the level of the Bushnell 6500. This is one I think is way under rated but the new TR23 will tell the tale. Eaven if it was at the level of the 4200 that might be realistic but hunting being the weighted area I think the illuminated reticle of the Trijicon or the B&C & varmit reticles of the Leu VX3 make those scopes way more deadly that a duplex 4200. From the Accupoints I have seen in the last several years I think the glass has improved and the 2.5-10 scope I find vastly preferable to the 3-9 version even though I typiclly dont like a larger objective.
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Al Nyhus
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 18:48 |
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Let me get this right: of those people listed that made up this rating chart.......durablity is only a 15% consideration to them?
If that's true, I'm completely out of step.......
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John Barsness
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 18:51 |
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I am pretty much going to stay out of this, except to point out that even though a lot of different optics are made in the same factories that doesn't mean they are all the same.
The same factory can make different lenses for different companies, and glass isn't the only factor in optical quality. The entire system (including interior baffling or matting) will make a difference, so "same factory" doesn't mean anything absolute.
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Shenko
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 18:52 |
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Giving more weight to durability would be great, in my opinion.
The part that surprised me was:
Bushnell Elite 3200, Leupold VX-II, Millet Tactical/Buck Gold, Nikko Stirling, Nikon Buckmaster, Sightron SI & SII, Vortex Crossfire & Diamondback, Super Sniper Fixed
on the same line.
Are you really rating the SI and Crossfire equal to the SII and Diamondback?
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tahqua
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 19:08 |
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Still the best bench mark I've seen put together for us hunters in the optics crowd.
I have a Leapers and they are right where they belong. Cost effective for a day light scope, that's it. Considering how the Kahles have always been listed, we can't get new 1.5-6x42's on this side of the pond. |
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Monster
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 19:41 |
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Tough list to put together. From what I read and what I know the Nikko Sterling needs to be moved down. They are not in the same class as the SS, Nikon Buckmaster, 3200, etc.
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John Barsness
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 20:41 |
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Al,
Evidently we have a friend in common, Steve Timm.
I am right with you on the durability issue. I have seen the judgment of scopes swing completely from reliability to "what can I see?" in the past 15-20 years.
JB
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Horsemany
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 20:47 |
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I'd agree with the above. I was a little shocked to see "optical quality 51%" and "durability 15%". I can't imagine what scenario of scope use those proportions are in the best interest of the shooter.
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RONK
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 21:01 |
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Well, it may be that durability was a more important factor in the past than it is to many modern hunters. What I mean is that a huge proportion of young hunters seem to think that hunting is sitting in a blind on a deer farm.
Whole different thing than a bear hunt running behind a hard-driving pack of hounds or a ten-day pack-in elk hunt in the Rockies...
Not trying to make "value judgements" here, to each his own.
Just saying.
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hunter12345
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Posted: April/05/2009 at 21:08 |
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The new Sightron S3 has been noted as being the best optics being made in Japan.The Sightrons are still a good scope with one of the best warranties in the business.SWFA admin has pointed out a flaw in there performance.I hope someone from Sightron could respond because this forum has showed numerous positive responses of the new S2 Big Sky which I own and find very reliable.
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