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300S&W
Optics God Joined: January/27/2008 Location: Burlington,WV Status: Offline Points: 10592 |
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THANKS,Julio. Sounds logical in that,as 8 says,it's just rubber.
As my neurosurgeon told me,watch that uncontroled neck movement! I've still got two bad discs in my neck(and one in my back).
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Dale Clifford
Optics Jedi Knight Joined: July/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5087 |
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use mercury ones alot when they were first introduced in trap guns. the theory was that in addition to adding wt. to reduce recoil, recoil energy was used up shearing the mercury by moving it back and forth. they reduce the recoil by whatever they add to the gun wt. in the recoil equation. any dense heavy metal will work. When placed forward in trap guns they change the pivot and cause less of bite in the cheek. If your shooting an auto or pump and limited to one shot as in trap, just make some dummy reloads and load them ahead of the live round.
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Dale Clifford
Optics Jedi Knight Joined: July/04/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5087 |
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would like to add that if you add a choate mag. extension and use 1 1/4 oz loads in the extension , the leverage is really increased.
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SChunter
Optics Journeyman Joined: December/02/2007 Location: usa Status: Offline Points: 376 |
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Limbsaver on a 7mag Browning A-bolt SS--it greatly reduced felt recoil to me--30 % or so. I still won't say the 7mag is a joy to shoot, but it is much more tolerable. I also agree with those that say the muzzle break is good for reducing recoil but awful for the ears (and anyone in close proximity to the shot!). I have a Browning a bolt in 243 that I got for a great deal with the boss recoil reducing version (explain that on a 243). The manner in which the gas is vented seems to explode in your ears, making it much more noisy than the 7mag. Also, I have a mercury break in a Benelli Nova. There is some perceived change in recoil, especially in 3.5 turkey loads. But again, it may be just perceived--plus, that shotgun is tasked primarily with turkeys and sports a comp n choke tube that ports. On another post, we discussed the difference in sound for a shotgun compared to the braked rifle.
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Sandracer
Optics Apprentice Joined: January/11/2009 Location: Eastern Oregon Status: Offline Points: 141 |
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I have used a Kick-eeze pad on a couple of hard kickers and they really work, but they don't last forever. Both have chips and chunks that have come off. Now I have three rifles with the Limbsaver and they are definitely better than stock type pads, but to me they don't quite match the kick-eeze. Muzzle brakes definitely work really well if you wear muffs to hunt and if you shoot at a range it will piss off everyone around you! A 338-378 Wby kicks like a 270 winchester with the factory brake to me.
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SD Dog
Optics Master Extraordinaire OT Scratching Post Joined: February/28/2008 Status: Offline Points: 4177 |
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You too? I like them for both reasons, increased LOP and recoil reduction. My mossberg 835 with 3.5" is much more pleasant to shoot since I put a limbsaver on it, and my .270 is a dream to shoot. I'm sold on the brand. |
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timber
Optics Journeyman Joined: June/03/2007 Status: Offline Points: 354 |
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I would try a new recoil pad first before trying mercury or mechanical reducers. I agree with those saying the mercury recoil reducers mostly just add weight which does reduce felt recoil. I shipped a rifle to Graco Corporation for a Model R8 (under the barrel) and Model M12 (in the buttstock) and they did an excellent job with the installation. It definitely helped but it added about a pound of weight. I have no experience with the mechanical reducers.
I've used Kick-EZZ, Limbsaver and Pachmayr and they all helped reduce felt recoil. The Kick-EZZ was the best but it doesn't seem as durable. And if it's a grind to fit model it needs to be installed by a gunsmith as it's a synthetic material (sorbothane) and will burn easier. Here's a picture of the Kick-EZZ "All Purpose" Grind-To-Fit. I had a heavy radius done because it was very sticky (when new): My favorite pad though is the Pachmayr D750B. The Pachmayr D752B "Old English" is a favorite of many. Neither are as soft as the Kick-EZZ but they seem to be a lot tougher. They also finish really nice. Gunsmith's I've talked to say Pachmayr's are the easiest to get a professional look when using a grind-to-fit model. The pre-fits (of any brand) rarely fit perfectly flush if that matters. Here's a picture of the D750B: |
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JF4545
Optics Master Joined: March/31/2009 Location: Washington Status: Offline Points: 2753 |
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Thanks Timber!
My Browning Bar stock will be here tomorrow. I sent it to Limbsaver to have the 1" recoil pad installed. I did not want to risk making a mess of it so I had Sims Limbsaver do it in WA. They did not charge much either, so Im excited about trying it out. The old red pad was brittle and tired and hard as a rock.. This Limbsave should help alot.
Im curious now about the Kick-EZZ, would that be a good one for my Kimber? I do like the people at Limbsaver and it should be softer than the 1" Pachmayrr that came on it. That Pachmayer is still pretty hard on a 270 Magnum, well for me it is anyway.. My problem is more about Flinch, I do not feel any pain from these rifles, just makes me Flinch which Im working on more these days..
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JF
I appreciate the info!
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timber
Optics Journeyman Joined: June/03/2007 Status: Offline Points: 354 |
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JF4545. I think the Kick-Ezz would be softer shooting than the Pachmayr. That would be my choice for your Kimber if the Pachmayr wasn't soft enough. Maybe somebody can correct me but I think Kimber uses a 1 inch "Old English" pad but I'm not sure which one (there are two, the D752B and 752B)?
I tested the Kick-Ezz "All Purpose", Pachmayr D752B "Old English" and a Limbsaver "grind-to-fit" on my 30-06. All were professionally installed by Graco-Corp. Since they had no horse in the race I felt like they did an equally good job on all three. The Limbsaver did not finish nearly as well as the other two if that matters. As far as felt recoil the Kick-Ezz was the softest shooting of the three, followed by the Limbsaver and then the Pachmayr. The Kick-Ezz easily distinguished itself, especially shooting with only a light-weight shirt which may not be relevant to you if you always wear a heavy jacket when hunting for instance. Also note all three test pads were 1" thickness. I don't know if the same results would occur with thinner examples. I did not test the Pachmayr D750B "Field Style" pad on this particular rifle so I can't make an equal judgement as to felt recoil. However I have one on a 308 win and 338 win mag (pictured above) and they're quite good. They finished great and I particularly like the non-slip basketweave texture on the face. On their website it's "recommended for heavy recoiling rifles" for what that's worth. This Pachmayr, the F990 Triple Magnum Field, is one of the pads that folks say will compress if left with the weight of the gun on it. Obviously it wouldn't be appropriate for your Kimber but I saw it on their website and thought I'd post it for reference. The four sizes range from 1.80 to 2.05" in thickness. Might be nice on a dangerous game piece! |
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JF4545
Optics Master Joined: March/31/2009 Location: Washington Status: Offline Points: 2753 |
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Timber,
The Limbsaver came in today mounted to the stock, the Limbsaver folks are very reasonable on price and customer service, I could not ask for more. I will try it out this weekend and I know it will shoot better compared to what I had by a long ways.. I will just have to go by what you are telling me as far as the Kick- Ezz goes. I will look into one for my Kimber perhaps since I already have a Pacmayr Decelerator. I would like all my rifles as tame to shoot as possible for medical reasons plus flinch....If you and Sandracer say the Kick-Ezz is the softest then thats what I'll do. Thanks for the help Guys, thats nice of ya!
JF Edited by JF4545 - August/24/2009 at 23:55 |
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Tip69
Optics Master Extraordinaire Tip Stick Joined: September/27/2005 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 4155 |
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JF - Hope the pad makes shooting your BAR acceptable..... hate to see ya part with such a fine rifle! Let us know how it goes.
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take em!
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thomas
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I put a mercury tube in a Benelli shotgun for 3.5 inch duck loads. It at least made the gun heavier. It was pump and did not kick as much as my SBE II Benelli. Could be the weight but not sure.
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