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Originally posted by JF4545 JF4545 wrote:

Hey Earl,
 
 Whats up with "Ackley Improved" I see several calibers listed this way, what does it mean?


Parker O Ackley was a famous gun smith back in the day. P.O. as he is better known as, took a lot of common at the time chamberings and did what  he called "improving" to them. the general performance increase which Roy mentioned, was pretty common results. some people thought it was worthwhile and in some instances it was. now a days we see all sorts of "ackleyerized" cases out there. Basically all your doing is bumping the shoulder forward which changes the angle of said shoulder. you take the .280AI (one of Roy's faves) and it basically performs at a 7mm mag level. while its not a dead ringer for the 7mag its very close. if you were to do a seach on ackley improved chamber reamers you would see a pretty big list of them, all the way from the smallest of cases all the way up to the big boys.
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  Thunbs Up  Thunbs Up on what Roy and Hunter said on the AI's,Julio.
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Im going to save up and buy this rifle in a 270 and load em on the lower end. The barrel will be a 24" stainless, not 23" like it reads. It will come with a full 1" Pachmayr Recoil Pad instead of that skinny thing its got in the pic. The barrel and bolt both with have a twist and it will shoot 1/2" group with the proper hand loads....The ONLY thing I do not like is the action is Push Feed and they tend to jam up if you do not do everthing perfectly. Check it out- JF
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And Earl & Hunter ALSO is what I meant, damn key board,Shocked
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roy Finn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/10/2009 at 17:07
Originally posted by JF4545 JF4545 wrote:

Roy,
Im going to save up and buy this rifle in 280 and load em on the lower end. The barrel will be a 24" stainless, not 23" like it reads. It will come with a full 1" Pachmayr Recoil Pad instead of that skinny thing its got in the pic. The barrel and bolt both with have a twist and it will shoot 1/2" group with the proper hand loads....The ONLY thing I do not like is the action is Push Feed and they tend to jam up if you do not do everthing perfectly. Check it out- JF



There I fixed that for ya................

Don't believe the bullchit you might have read about pushfeed's either. All those rumors where likely started by trustfund babies that were not properly potty trained.



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So, hmmm, I read this article that Chuck Hawks wrote, actually more than one article by him if my poor memory is correct... He said Push Feeds Suck.. So I thought to myself why would he lie, why would I not believe him... Know what I mean?? We are talking aout a 1,900 rifle and it should not do anything but run those rounds trough as smooth as butter for that kind of money....
So this means Hawks is full of sh*t if what you are saying is accurate!
So these actions work smoothly and do NOT JAM is this correct????
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Well, any action can jam and that goes for CRF as well. Guys who like CRF's think PF's are junk and guys who like PF's think the CRF guys are full of sh*ttt. I frequent a forum that has lots of guys from Alaska that use nothing but 700's and Howa/Vanguard's. That guys who hunt stuff with teeth and claws prefer Mauser 98's and "properly tuned" Model 70's. I would have to say that the guys who talk about bolt action rifles "jamming" are usually referring to what happens when an action is short stroked or at least that is the way I am understanding it anyway.
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Julio glad to see you back.  As for calibers I still think that 7mm08 is calling your name.
Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight Recoil energy Recoil velocity
.17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5 0.2 n/a
.204 Ruger (33 at 4225) 8.5 2.6 4.4
.22 LR (40 at 1165) 4.0 0.2 n/a
.22 WMR (40 at 1910) 6.75 0.4 n/a
.22 Hornet (45 at 2800) 7.5 1.3 3.3
.222 Rem. (50 at 3200) 7.5 3.0 5.1
.223 Rem. (55 at 3200) 8.0 3.2 5.1
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025) 7.0 3.9 6.0
.22-250 Rem. (55 at 3600) 8.5 4.7 6.0
.220 Swift (55 at 3800) 8.5 5.3 6.4
.223 WSSM (55 at 3850) 7.5 6.4 7.4
.243 Win. (75 at 3400) 8.5 7.2 7.4
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) 7.5 8.8 8.7
6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) 8.0 10.0 9.0
.243 WSSM (100 at 3100) 7.5 10.1 9.3
.240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3406) 8.0 17.9 n/a
.25-35 Win. (117 at 2230) 6.5 7.0 8.3
.250 Savage (100 at 2900) 7.5 7.8 8.2
.257 Roberts (120 at 2800) 8.0 10.7 9.3
.25 WSSM (120 at 2990) 7.25 13.8 11.1
.25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 12.5 10.0
.257 Wby. Mag. (120 at 3300) 9.25 15.1 10.3
6.5x55 Swede (140 at 2650) 9.0 10.6 8.7
.260 Rem. (120 at 2860) 7.5 13.0 10.6
6.5mm-284 Norma (140 at 2920) 8.0 14.7 10.9
6.5mm Rem. Mag. (120 at 3100) 8.0 13.1 10.3
6.5x68 S (140 at 2990) 8.5 16.8 11.3
.264 Win. Mag. (140 at 3200) 8.5 19.2 12.1
6.8mm Rem. SPC (115 at 2625) 7.5 8.0 8.3
.270 Win. (130 at 3140) 8.0 16.5 n/a
.270 Win. (150 at 2900) 8.0 17.0 11.7
.270 WSM (150 at 3000) 8.0 18.9 12.3
.270 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3000) 9.25 17.8 11.1
7x57 Mauser (139 at 2800) 8.0 14.0 10.6
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 12.6 10.1
7x64 (154 at 2850) 8.0 17.9 n/a
.280 Rem. (140 at 3000) 8.0 17.2 11.8
7mm Rem. SAUM (160 at 2931) 8.0 21.5 13.2
7mm WSM (160 at 3000) 8.0 21.9 13.3
7mm Rem. Mag. (150 at 3100) 8.5 19.2 12.1
7mm Wby. Mag. (140 at 3300) 9.25 19.5 11.7
7mm STW (160 at 3185) 8.5 27.9 14.6
7mm Ultra Mag. (160 at 3200) 8.5 29.4 n/a
.30 Carbine (110 at 1990) 7.0 3.5 5.7
.30-30 Win. (150 at 2400) 7.5 10.6 9.5
.30-30 Win. (170 at 2200) 7.5 11.0 9.7
.300 Sav. (150 at 2630) 7.5 14.8 n/a
.307 Win. (150 at 2600) 7.5 13.7 10.9
.308 Marlin Express (160 at 2660) 8.0 13.4 10.4
.308 Win. (150 at 2800) 7.5 15.8 11.7
.308 Win. (180 at 2610) 8.0 17.5 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 8.0 17.6 11.9
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.3 12.8
.300 Rem. SAUM (180 at 2960) 8.25 23.5 13.6
.300 WSM (180 at 2970) 8.25 23.8 13.6
.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2960) 8.5 25.9 14.0
.300 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3400) 9.25 24.6 13.1
.300 Ultra Mag. (180 at 3230) 8.5 32.8 15.8
7.62x39 Soviet (125 at 2350) 7.0 6.9 8.0
7.62x54R Russian (174 at 2600) 9.0 15.0 10.4
.303 British (180 at 2420) 8.0 15.4 11.1
.32 Spec. (170 at 2250) 7.0 12.2 10.6
8x57 Mauser (170 at 2360) 8.0 12.9 n/a
.325 WSM (180 at 3060) 7.5 33.1 16.9
8x68 S (150 at 3300) 8.5 25.3 13.9
8mm Rem. Mag. (200 at 2900) 8.5 32.9 15.8
.338 Marlin Express (200 at 2400) 8.0 16.2 11.4
.338-57 O'Connor (200 at 2400) 8.0 19.2 12.4
.338 Federal (210 at 2630) 8.0 21.9 13.3
.338-06 A-Square (250 at 2500) 8.5 28.2 14.6
.338 Win. Mag. (200 at 2950) 8.5 32.8 15.8
.338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2700) 9.0 33.1 15.4
.340 Wby. Mag. (200 at 3100) 10.0 29.6 13.8
.338 Ultra Mag (250 at 2860) 8.5 43.1 n/a
.357 Mag. (158 at 1650) 7.0 4.7 6.6
.35 Rem. (200 at 2050) 7.5 13.5 10.8
.358 Win. (200 at 2490) 8.0 20.9 13.0
.35 Whelen (200 at 2675) 8.0 22.6 13.5
.350 Rem. Mag. (200 at 2700) 8.5 22.3 13.0
9.3x62 (270 at 2550) 8.5 33.3 n/a
9.3x74R (286 at 2400) 8.25 34.3 16.6
.375 Ruger (270 at 2840

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Yes short stroked, thats what Im talking about... Most of the rifles Ive had , bolts anyway have been models 70's  (Old Winchesters)  Thats why I bought the Kimber.. But if you guys on OT tell me the Copper with the sako style action is fine, will work great then I will save up for it. Cause its a nice looking , super accurate rifle...
   I have to add though I do not hink my neck/head can handle the recoil of a 280.. The 270 is pushing it... I still may find something diffeent in a 7 08....I just do not like the short range aspect of the 7 08 compared to the 270....After I load up my NEW 270 wsm rounds I will know more on what I can handle...
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Hi Wes!
 
Yes you are probably right, I found a nice rifle by Cooper but they do not make it in 7 08..
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Load No
Caliber
Grains/ Grams
Bullet Style
Brand
Use
6555B
6.5x55 Swedish
140 / 9.07
P2506E
25-06 Rem.
115 / 7.45
P260C
260 Rem.
120 / 7.78
P270E
270 Win.
150 / 9.72
P708A
7mm-08 Rem.
140 / 9.07

Ballistics Comparisons:
  Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y
6555B
6.5x55 Swedish
2650
2450
2258
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There might be a good argument to go to a .308 at least then you start seeing Federal think of some of the loads as elk bullets:
General Information:
Load No
Caliber
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P7RF
7mm Rem. Magnum
160 / 10.37
P308E
Jump and Spin
308 Win. (7.62x51mm)
180 / 11.66
P308H
308 Win. (7.62x51mm)
165 / 10.69
P3006F
30-06 Spring. (7.62x63mm)
180 / 11.66
P3006AE
30-06 Spring. (7.62x63mm)
180 / 11.66

Ballistics Comparisons:
  Velocity in Feet per Second (To nearest 10 FPS)
Load No
Caliber
Muzzle
100 Y
200 Y
300 Y
400 Y
500 Y

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I really think you would be ok with a much less expensive Tikka or a Sako A7
http://www.sakoa7.net/   I really like the look and feel  of the A7

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Thanks Wes!
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Sako makes the A7   in .243, 22-250, 7mm-08, .308, .270, .300 WSM, 25-06 Rem  .270 Win, .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 WM.   Really nice stainless gun with black synthetic stock that has good grip features.   I have a friend who shoots elk all the time with his .270 and it has done very well for him, but he was a Sgt Major Ranger Sniper Instructor and if your neck was less of an issue I'd be telling you to go that direction but I just think that you really should be thinking lighter recoil and to me that is 7mm-08, 260 Rem, 25-06, .243, 6.5x55.  Of those the 7mm-08 is the strongest.

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Yeah, Roy said it:  The only time you have trouble with a push feed is if you short stroke it........so........duh........don't short stroke it.  No Problem.  I would not build a dangerous game rifle with one, however.   [ Also, they don't work good upside down....]   Shocked 
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I used to shoot a 270 all the time Wes, as I stated earlier on this thread....Im getting real close to reloading the 270WSM in 130gr and 110gr TSX BT.. So after that I will know more. My Docs said for me to go ahead and shoot whatever I wanted, within reason of course..But then its not there body now is it.. Also I do like the looks of the Sako A7.. I looked at a Sako at Cablea's awhile back but Im not certain that was the model# Im thinkin it was different. But then my memory kinda sucks!Big Grin
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I can't remember ever having a jam in a Winchester Model 70... PF or CRF, but I've worked on making sure I don't.  I don't have a dog in that fight, they have both performed admirably for me.  Don't listen to the "push feed is junk" crowd... they are just erroneously enthusiastic.  The PF I would NOT recommend for a DGR, simply because it is, by long repute, more susceptible to mistakes and DG hunting can be high pressure... 
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Geez, this thread has wandered around a lot.....
 
To get back to the original question, E.R. Shaw retooled a few years ago and now their barrels are very good. Maybe not like Lilja or Krieger, but very good. I have owned about a half-dozen now and all but one were very accurate.
 
My latest is a 6.5-06 (stainless #4 contour, with the spiral fluting), on the so-called custom E.R. Shaw action, which is a Savage with threads in the front to fit the barrel rather than the standard Savage nut-connector. It groups3 shots under 1 MOA out to 700 yards, and usually much less.
 
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