Whats up with "Ackley Improved" I see several calibers listed this way, what does it mean?
Parker O Ackley was a famous gun smith back in the day. P.O. as he is better known as, took a lot of common at the time chamberings and did what he called "improving" to them. the general performance increase which Roy mentioned, was pretty common results. some people thought it was worthwhile and in some instances it was. now a days we see all sorts of "ackleyerized" cases out there. Basically all your doing is bumping the shoulder forward which changes the angle of said shoulder. you take the .280AI (one of Roy's faves) and it basically performs at a 7mm mag level. while its not a dead ringer for the 7mag its very close. if you were to do a seach on ackley improved chamber reamers you would see a pretty big list of them, all the way from the smallest of cases all the way up to the big boys.
They call me "Boots" 375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"
Im going to save up and buy this rifle in a 270 and load em on the lower end. The barrel will be a 24" stainless, not 23" like it reads. It will come with a full 1" Pachmayr Recoil Pad instead of that skinny thing its got in the pic. The barrel and bolt both with have a twist and it will shoot 1/2" group with the proper hand loads....The ONLY thing I do not like is the action is Push Feed and they tend to jam up if you do not do everthing perfectly. Check it out- JF
Im going to save up and buy this rifle in 280 and load em on the lower end. The barrel will be a 24" stainless, not 23" like it reads. It will come with a full 1" Pachmayr Recoil Pad instead of that skinny thing its got in the pic. The barrel and bolt both with have a twist and it will shoot 1/2" group with the proper hand loads....The ONLY thing I do not like is the action is Push Feed and they tend to jam up if you do not do everthing perfectly. Check it out- JF
Don't believe the bullchit you might have read about pushfeed's either. All those rumors where likely started by trustfund babies that were not properly potty trained.
So, hmmm, I read this article that Chuck Hawks wrote, actually more than one article by him if my poor memory is correct... He said Push Feeds Suck.. So I thought to myself why would he lie, why would I not believe him... Know what I mean?? We are talking aout a 1,900 rifle and it should not do anything but run those rounds trough as smooth as butter for that kind of money....
So this means Hawks is full of sh*t if what you are saying is accurate!
So these actions work smoothly and do NOT JAM is this correct????
Well, any action can jam and that goes for CRF as well. Guys who like CRF's think PF's are junk and guys who like PF's think the CRF guys are full of sh*ttt. I frequent a forum that has lots of guys from Alaska that use nothing but 700's and Howa/Vanguard's. That guys who hunt stuff with teeth and claws prefer Mauser 98's and "properly tuned" Model 70's. I would have to say that the guys who talk about bolt action rifles "jamming" are usually referring to what happens when an action is short stroked or at least that is the way I am understanding it anyway.
Yes short stroked, thats what Im talking about... Most of the rifles Ive had , bolts anyway have been models 70's (Old Winchesters) Thats why I bought the Kimber.. But if you guys on OT tell me the Copper with the sako style action is fine, will work great then I will save up for it. Cause its a nice looking , super accurate rifle...
I have to add though I do not hink my neck/head can handle the recoil of a 280.. The 270 is pushing it... I still may find something diffeent in a 7 08....I just do not like the short range aspect of the 7 08 compared to the 270....After I load up my NEW 270 wsm rounds I will know more on what I can handle...
Sako makes the A7 in .243, 22-250, 7mm-08, .308, .270, .300 WSM, 25-06 Rem .270 Win, .30-06, 7mm Rem Mag, 300 WM. Really nice stainless gun with black synthetic stock that has good grip features. I have a friend who shoots elk all the time with his .270 and it has done very well for him, but he was a Sgt Major Ranger Sniper Instructor and if your neck was less of an issue I'd be telling you to go that direction but I just think that you really should be thinking lighter recoil and to me that is 7mm-08, 260 Rem, 25-06, .243, 6.5x55. Of those the 7mm-08 is the strongest.
Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - August/10/2009 at 18:34
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Yeah, Roy said it: The only time you have trouble with a push feed is if you short stroke it........so........duh........don't short stroke it. No Problem. I would not build a dangerous game rifle with one, however. [ Also, they don't work good upside down....]
I used to shoot a 270 all the time Wes, as I stated earlier on this thread....Im getting real close to reloading the 270WSM in 130gr and 110gr TSX BT.. So after that I will know more. My Docs said for me to go ahead and shoot whatever I wanted, within reason of course..But then its not there body now is it.. Also I do like the looks of the Sako A7.. I looked at a Sako at Cablea's awhile back but Im not certain that was the model# Im thinkin it was different. But then my memory kinda sucks!
I can't remember ever having a jam in a Winchester Model 70... PF or CRF, but I've worked on making sure I don't. I don't have a dog in that fight, they have both performed admirably for me. Don't listen to the "push feed is junk" crowd... they are just erroneously enthusiastic. The PF I would NOT recommend for a DGR, simply because it is, by long repute, more susceptible to mistakes and DG hunting can be high pressure...
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To get back to the original question, E.R. Shaw retooled a few years ago and now their barrels are very good. Maybe not like Lilja or Krieger, but very good. I have owned about a half-dozen now and all but one were very accurate.
My latest is a 6.5-06 (stainless #4 contour, with the spiral fluting), on the so-called custom E.R. Shaw action, which is a Savage with threads in the front to fit the barrel rather than the standard Savage nut-connector. It groups3 shots under 1 MOA out to 700 yards, and usually much less.
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