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    Posted: October/21/2009 at 17:54
Originally posted by RifleDude

Really, I think my objection to the use of plastic... excuse me, synthetic materials...on a fine firearm is the fact they just give a look and feel of cheapness to an otherwise nice gun.  I'm a traditionalist at heart.  It even took me a long time to warm up to the concept of synthetic stocks, but I've gotten over that because of the undeniable advantages and the availability of so many truly high quality synthetic stocks.  I haven't quite accepted plastic trigger guards, magazines, scope turrets, etc. yet though.  Truth be told, the majority of the plastic parts in use today on guns probably hold up just as well as other materials on those types of non-stressed parts.  I just don't like plastic parts because... it's plastic!Bucky
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 Excellent 

Is it plastic, synthetic, nylon, or polymer? 
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Originally posted by RifleDude

Really, I think my objection to the use of plastic... excuse me, synthetic materials...on a fine firearm is the fact they just give a look and feel of cheapness to an otherwise nice gun.  I'm a traditionalist at heart.  It even took me a long time to warm up to the concept of synthetic stocks, but I've gotten over that because of the undeniable advantages and the availability of so many truly high quality synthetic stocks.  I haven't quite accepted plastic trigger guards, magazines, scope turrets, etc. yet though.  Truth be told, the majority of the plastic parts in use today on guns probably hold up just as well as other materials on those types of non-stressed parts.  I just don't like plastic parts because... it's plastic!Bucky


Ditto.

I have a Sako 85 Hunter that I've hunted with for a couple of years.  I like it for the most part but your review, Horsemany, is very fair.  I keep using it because I like the trigger, the bolt lock and the general heft of the rifle. 

Here's a few gripes:

I don't care for the dovetail receiver but was convinced to try Talley QD's and they work well, much better than the Leupold QR's.  The bolt lift is too stiff.  I've taken the bolt apart and cleaned and lubricated it according to the manual.  Mine has been shot enough to ease up but it's not going to happen.  I'm convinced it's all in the design.  The inletting around the tang is poor for a $1,500 rifle.  If not for the X-Bolt magazine look I'd have replaced this Sako last year.


 


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Yeah, you could store part of your lunch in there for later.
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My tang looks like that too.  I think they want all the recoil bearing on the steel plate in front but they could sure get a little more precise on that inletting. 
 
I've tried every type of grease or lube I have on the cocking surfaces and mine's not gotten any easier either.  I believe you're right it's a design issue that makes the bolt lift so hard.  The cocking surfaces all appear well polished.
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  Maybe the firing pin spring could be lightened up a bit to help with the bolt lift.
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I don't care for the dovetail receiver but was convinced to try Talley QD's and they work well, much better than the Leupold QR's.  The bolt lift is too stiff.  I've taken the bolt apart and cleaned and lubricated it according to the manual.  Mine has been shot enough to ease up but it's not going to happen.  I'm convinced it's all in the design.  The inletting around the tang is poor for a $1,500 rifle.  If not for the X-Bolt magazine look I'd have replaced this Sako last year.


 
 
That is exactly what I was referring to with my comment about the poor wood to metal fit around the tang.  Mine is the same way, as is all Sako 85's I've seen.  Really, this is my only major gripe with these rifles.  I know why they did it though -- this is a common area for stocks to start cracking on bolt action rifles.  If the tang contacts the stock here, repeated recoil can cause the stock to start cracking directly behind the tang.  This cannot happen if there is clearance between the tang and the wood.  However, they certainly could have reduced the size of the gap so it is a little nicer looking there.  Winchester had a good solution by having the M70 tang overlap the stock rather than being inletted into the stock. 
 
The integral receiver mount dovetails are a pain, but I don't blame Sako as much as mount manufacturers for not providing very many mounts.  The design itself is a good idea, and is very rugged.  I do blame Sako for producing the crappy, overpriced Opti-Lock mounts as their solution.  But, as long as Talley provides mounts for Sako, I'm happy.
 
On the stiff bolt lift, that is a normal, unavoidable byproduct of short lift bolt action designs with 3, 6, or 9 locking lugs on 120-deg centers.  With a short bolt lift of 54 - 60 degrees vs. the standard 90-deg lift of a typical 2-lug action (lugs spaced 180-deg apart), you are having to do the same work in loading up the firing pin spring in a shorter travel distance to cock the action.  Therefore, the cocking cam is steeper and it requires more effort to cock.  Installing a lighter spring is not a good idea, as it could potentially reduce reliability and would increase lock time.   The same issue exists to some extent with all short lift bolt actions, including the Browning A-Bolt and X-Bolt, Weatherby Mark V, T/C Icon, Sauer 200/202, etc.  Some manufacturers use longer bolt handles to provide additional leverage to reduce cocking effort on their short bolt throw actions.  The bolt handle shape and size and angle of the knob or gripping surface of the handle also affects your perception of bolt lift stiffness.  On the plus side, the short bolt throw allows you to mount scopes with big oculars lower on the rifle without bolt handle clearance issues. 
 
There is nothing wrong with your rifle in that regard. 
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I agree with your post except for the bolt lift.  The lift on my X-Bolt, A-Bolt, and Cooper all have 3 lug bolts with approximately half the force required.  My long gone Weatherby Mk V had lighter lift too.  On my Sako 85 you have to almost slap the bolt handle up.  Other 85's I've handled were about the same.
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I know nothing of the Sako 85, but the new Sako 85 Finnlight's Bolt lifts easily and is very smooth...Mine has a synthetic stock so perhaps that why there is no space around the tang on it either. So far Ive been very happy with the 85 Finnlight. The Zeiss 3.5x10x44 scope was very easy to mount using the Talley Rings it ...Its a nice shooter too, Im sorry to hear of these issues you guys are having with your rifles. I guess I must have just gotten lucky as I was looking at a Tikka T-3 or the A7 Sako and I decided to kick it up a notch as to avoid the plastic parts..Since Ive bought it though Ive read so many good things about the Tikka T-3 Stainless that I will probably buy one of those in the future in 6.5x55 Swede because I like what Ive read about the little caliber and the accurate Tikka itself. I wish the Browning X-Bolt came in the 6.5x55.  Ive pretty much gone to stainless rifles as I like the low maintainence and look...I may buy a Laminated stock for the Sako 85 Finnlight though and Im curious if it would have the tang space issue....
 
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