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Any chance a faster powder, such as Varget, was in the case?
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Charles,
 
I would guess with enough persistance and a hammer and a vise that bolt should come open, cut the barrel off if you need to.....I want to see whats in there...I seriously doubt Sako cares at this point...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ccoker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/22/2009 at 13:53
I am waiting to hear back from my brother after he talks to his contact over the weekend...

I have thought about the chance of mixing up powders
I have one powder on the bench at a time

I do reload for pistol but use a seperate setup for priming pistol rounds
I checked the primers in my large rifle setup, they were correct as were the primers in the rounds made from the same load

During the loading of the batch this round was from I had fired several the week before

I hadn't worked up any other loads between then and now

I have a few times thrown away powder in the RCBS chargemaster because I wasn't 1000% sure I knew what was in there.....


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Horsemany Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/22/2009 at 14:38
Well today while loading 270Win I checked powder 3 times and hand weighed my charges for the first time in years cause of this thread. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shenko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/22/2009 at 15:31
The bullet hit the target and the barrel isn't split or bulged. That would seem to rule out a barrel obstruction.
Doesn't seem like a primer could be the cause.
Doesn't seem like a full case of 4350 could do it. The load already used a nearly-full case. A case full of a faster powder probably could.
A heavier bullet would raise the pressure, which was already close to max.
A .284" bullet would probably do it, and might seat in a 270 case.
I would weigh and measure every bullet from that batch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ccoker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/22/2009 at 16:12
bullets were Barnes 110g TTSX
been using them in my 6.8 for 2 years


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JF4545 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/22/2009 at 16:15
Im with you Joel, even though I did some very basic reloading on the 80"s.  I just started again with all new equipment this year and Im in a process of relearning everything. Years ago I had some one to check my work and keep an eye on me. Now I just have me and more importantly the folks on this forum to learn from.. So I will be double checking everything I do and reading ALOT more about what the hell Im doing.. There have been several things Ive NOT watched for while loading my own this year. Such as looking for signs of excessive pressure, cracks or holes in the brass, etc.. I did not do these things because the most of the brass was new..Then again some of it had been fired twice before. Perhaps I should have kept it seperate, not sure. The only thing I know is Mr Coker is one lucky man and I do not need any more scars or loss of eye sight or whatever great gift one might recieve by having an accident like that happen.....I too keep only the powder, bullets, primers Im using on the table, nothing else. I weigh every load, until my powder measure is exactly on.. Then every 5th load so. I think Im gonna weigh every single one now, plus double check all cases... In all seriousness, I have some cognitive problems, plus Im on heavy pain meds, maybe I will only do this with the help of my son, although much of it I can do myself....It sucks being damagedRoll Eyes

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I've looked at this pic for a good while now and I would suggest asking Sako to allow you to send this rifle to a neutral gunsmith or someone you both agree on.
 
 
I for some reason feel you need a professional to remove the bolt and try to determine if there are signs of a defective bolt. I makes perfect since that the pressure would blow out the mag well and even split the stock, but for the bolt to seperate like it did in this pic makes me think there is more to consider. The bad thing is that knowing that this wasn't new brass leaves all kinds of wiggle room for Sako. If however the bolt comes out split or sheared it may have caused case seperation by having failed. Loading a 270 with a 110 gr. round anywhere inside of manual specs isn't going to cause this kind of damage unless the barrel is plugged. And even then the damage in this pic is very suspisious. If you find there was possible defects in the bolt then it won't matter what you where shooting. Sako is liable. Good Luck!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dale Clifford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/23/2009 at 07:49
somewhat related on a different matter-- Beretta had problems with TRG firing pins last year and gave out the serial # range of the guns that needed replacements, none of mine were in the range so I didn't follow up.
I had a somewhat similar event as yours involving a garand redone for 308. The round was ignited by firing pin out of dimension causing a slam fire, and sending the bolt back through the receiver of the garand which if you are familiar, are pretty thick and splitting the stock in the grip area. My point is -- there was plenty of energy in the normal round to do this damage, and although this is not a "slam fire" the damage that just missed by cheek was more with less powder. As suggested I think you should have a "smith" look at this at get serious with Beretta.  
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as a side note the company replaced the rifle with no questions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ccoker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/23/2009 at 09:03
thanks for the advice

like I said, my brother is friends with a very well connected guy he's going to be discussing this with over the weekend

I did look at several brass last night from the previous shooting session, marked with a sharpie, could see no signs of excessive pressure

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  First off,cc,I'm GLAD your ok!
 
  Guess I might as well take a guess at what may have happened to.  I believe there may have been a bolt assembly failure. In particular the shroud/firing pin.  Just a guess of course.
 
   Sure HOPE it works out for you with Sako.  From what I've read about them over the years,they don't like it when their products fail.


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Baretta just told me to send it in and it would be 3-4 weeks
I called my local dealer and spoke with their gunsmith
they wanted nothing to do with it, "we can not advise or act as your advocate"
I can understand their position.. they didn't make the gun...
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  GOOD to hear.
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they said send it in and they will take a look at it and get back with me
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Horsemany Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/23/2009 at 13:17
Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

Baretta just told me to send it in and it would be 3-4 weeks
I called my local dealer and spoke with their gunsmith
they wanted nothing to do with it, "we can not advise or act as your advocate"
I can understand their position.. they didn't make the gun...
 
They could "advise or act as your advocate" if they wanted to.  We know they would if there were money in it for them.
 
I'm a contractor.  If I provide a product that is later suspected to be faulty(even if possibly the fault of the homeowner) I'd do what I could to help out.  I'd at least make some phone calls to my supplier or the manufacturer.  That's called customer service.


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Originally posted by ccoker ccoker wrote:

they said send it in and they will take a look at it and get back with me


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Damn! Sorry to hear about your gun!
 
P.S. I've seen worse rifle failures than that!
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Scary.  I'm glad you're OK. 

 

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