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    Posted: October/29/2010 at 07:33
The standard Knoxx stocks look more traditional and still have the recoil reduction in them.
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You can put the rifle on a Knoxx Axiom stock, it looks a little ... unique, but it works.
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Originally posted by LRSMike LRSMike wrote:

I do just need to continue to shoot it to where it doesn't affect me as much. I've shot a Javelin, mutiple ranges with the M2, M240B, M249 SAW and other various military weapons. Lets just say that noise isnt going to be a problem. I've found that I really like alot of the information about the 300 win mag that I plan on keeping it. If I buy another weapon, I'll probably go down to the 7mm Mag or a .270. I don't reload just yet, but I will start by the end of this year. Does anyone know if the precision cut Limbsaver for the Model 700 CDL/BDL plus other various 700 models will fit my Sendero? I haven't found anything thats said that it would/wouldn't. You guys are way too smart and nice, just a thank you for all the time and information. I want you to realize that you and people like you are the reason why I deploy to combat. Seriously. I'll seriously throw a BBQ in Louisiana when I get there for anyone that wants to attend Bucky

it should, your rifle is a just a bdl/cdl with a heavier contoured barrel, the butt should be the same.
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I do just need to continue to shoot it to where it doesn't affect me as much. I've shot a Javelin, mutiple ranges with the M2, M240B, M249 SAW and other various military weapons. Lets just say that noise isnt going to be a problem. I've found that I really like alot of the information about the 300 win mag that I plan on keeping it. If I buy another weapon, I'll probably go down to the 7mm Mag or a .270. I don't reload just yet, but I will start by the end of this year. Does anyone know if the precision cut Limbsaver for the Model 700 CDL/BDL plus other various 700 models will fit my Sendero? I haven't found anything thats said that it would/wouldn't. You guys are way too smart and nice, just a thank you for all the time and information. I want you to realize that you and people like you are the reason why I deploy to combat. Seriously. I'll seriously throw a BBQ in Louisiana when I get there for anyone that wants to attend Bucky
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I am not a big fan of muzzle breaks (primarily because I like my hearing as is).

If 300WM kicks too much, there are a couple of things you can do.  First of all, develop some lighter loads.  It is not that difficult (I assume you handload).  This one is necessary: make sure you have a high quality recoil pad on it.  For range shooting when you fire a fair number of rounds, you can also use PACT recoil shield.  It really helps.

As far as rebarreling goes, by the time you are done with the cost of a nice new barrel and gunsmithing fees, you might as well spend a little more money and get another rifle.

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You can buy reduced loads for the 300 that would make the kick about that of a 30-06 I believe.
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Why dont you keep it like it is and pick up another rifle in a lighter caliber. 207 Ruger , .223,  243 something along those lines.  You will spend half what it would cost you to buy another rifle just altering the one you have.  Some day if you start reloading you can make reduced loads if you like.  Other than that you can consider a muzzle break some guys love them some dont because they are very loud.

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some brakes are more effective than other but i don't have enought experience with them to know which ones those are

Edited by SVT_Tactical - October/27/2010 at 20:25
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I've never been around a brake but have read claims of one brake being quieter that the others and one promising to be not much louder than an un-braked rifle. Are these claims BS or is there something to these claims?
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Personally I don't like muzzle brakes.  If you shoot one in the field you and your hunting buddy if he is with you will need to carry and have on hearing protection.  By contrast with the long 26" barrel on your 300 win mag without the brake, you can shoot it and not worry about it.  I shoot my rifles without brakes and without hearing protection for that one shot in the field and it doesn't even ring my ears.
 
If you want to go down then the cheapest way is to have it rechambered and the barrel threads set back for a 300 WSM, that would be a little reduction.
 
Rebarreling there are several options for calibers that will fit the bolt face.  The win mag bolt face is .532" and you can go a couple of thousandths either way without bolt face work (hence the 300 WSM at .535" case head).
 
I have rebarreled 3 of the win mags to:
 
6.5 rem mag - shoots a 130 gr bullet at 3100 fps or a 140 gr bullet at 3000 fps without even trying, almost no recoil
 
another 6.5 rem mag - for a buddy who liked mine so well he did one
 
375 Ruger - definitely going the other way on recoil and a real monster on the bench, UNTIL YOU GET USED TO IT
 
I capitalized that to show that IMO if you shoot the 300 win mag enough it will get easier.  Now that I have shot the 375 Ruger even my 338 RUM is a pussycat.
 
The 7 mag would recoil a little less but would have about as much muzzle blast.  There is the 264 win mag but it is way overbore and hard to load for (IMO and I have had one).  The 7 WSM is doable.
 
Short action calibers in a long action work very well because you can throat the rifle so that you can load the long heavy bullets way out there and get better performance.
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the brake will do more than you think and should be fine after that
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  A brake doesn't reduce pressure.  It disipates the muzzle blast (muzzle pressure) into directions that causes the rifle to not recoil backwards so hard.  They shouldn't affect accuracy at all.
  There is another option for reducing felt recoil and that is an after market stock.  It sounds as if the stock on that rifle isn't of good quality or maybe it just doesn't fit you right.  I've got a .300 in a Brown Precision stock that (depending on the scope) goes no more than 7 3/4lbs all up.  Many who've shot it are surprised that the "kick" they expected just wasn't there.
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Everyone knows the .300 kicks, but thats part of the ownership of a bigger caliber. I would like to reduce the kick somewhat for days at the range, where I would love to shoot 50-100 rounds, but obviously couldn't do that with it being completely stock. I'm looking into the Limbsaver right now for the quickest way to reduce it, with a muzzle brake following. But here is another question that I have. With the brake, will it reduce accuracy due to lower pressures?

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or,

 
Get a suppressor! Big Grin It takes a lot of recoil away.  Heck even a good effective brake would work wonders for you.
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If you are worried about recoil and all you can always load some reduced power loads for range play and then some full power loads for hunting.

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I guess since it's the first rifle that I have purchased myself, and having the reminder of what the first gen sendero in .300 did to me when I was 12 has stayed with me over the years. I am trying to tell myself that I won't need 20 rounds to kill an animal, but I think I'm staying with it as is. I'm young and I will have more opportunities to buy weapons throughout my life, so there is where my other calibers would come from.
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