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Crap, there goes more money!  Ilya, can anyone use #3 on you list or is it an exclusive offer?  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote deadduck357 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/11/2011 at 20:51
Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

Just buy two, an exposed DOD and a capped TOD.  Big Smile  If you don't have two rifles needing scopes, now you will have an excuse to buy another rifle.


Why not an capped DOD and a exposed TOD Wink
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why not all 4
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

why not all 4

We expect nothing less of you, G... soon a picture of 4 of your rifles with the 1-4 on them all... It'll be a great picture.  How soon can we expect it????
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:



Option 3:
I get the SS 1-4x24 and do a review on it.  Then I call your wife and spend a couple of hours on the phone whining about how broke I am and that I just took a job that came with a paycut (which is almost true), etc.  Then a couple of days later you tell her that you had to buy this scope from me simply in order to save my marriage.  Otherwise, you would always have this sin hanging over your head: you let a friend's marriage go hell in a handbasket because of a few hundred lousy dollars.


Damn, I really like that one!  Would it be considered plagiarism if I used it?
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:



Option 3:
I get the SS 1-4x24 and do a review on it.  Then I call your wife and spend a couple of hours on the phone whining about how broke I am and that I just took a job that came with a paycut (which is almost true), etc.  Then a couple of days later you tell her that you had to buy this scope from me simply in order to save my marriage.  Otherwise, you would always have this sin hanging over your head: you let a friend's marriage go hell in a handbasket because of a few hundred lousy dollars.


Damn, I really like that one!  Would it be considered plagiarism if I used it?

Yes it would be plagiarism, but that does not mean you can't use it.

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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Excellent   you thought this through ILya 

Graham, this is just something off the top of my head.  Give me a few days to strategize and I'll come up with some really exotic schemes....


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That picture will be ready sometime later this year KB, maybe in time for next years photo contest, being i sucked it up this year.....
 
ILya, I anxiously await the "exotic" schemes
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The wait is almost over!

Having seen the first prototype (or second), I am very excited to see how the final product works out.  Hell, I told Chris I would buy the prototype (and that offer still stands.)

It should be a great match for many applications.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

So tell me all the REALLLLLLLLY bad things about about the Pentax Gameseeker 4x, justifiable, so I can transfer the 4x Conquest to the .458 WinMag and get the SS1-4 for the Lott... of course they have to be observable, because my wife is going to look for and check every point...



Do I have to give you all the good ideas?

Jeez... 

Option 1: 
Just tel your wife that you were replicating the "through the scope" shot, since those dipsticks at Myth Busters clearly do not know what they are doing.  Hence, you have to shoot the Gameseeker and that means you need a different scope for the Lott.

Option 2:
In case of zombie attacks, you need a well proven scope to be set up in QD rings.  Since Gameseeker has worked so well and you have total confidence in it, you plan to set it up as a back up for one of your rifles, hence the need for another to put on the Lott.

Option 3:
I get the SS 1-4x24 and do a review on it.  Then I call your wife and spend a couple of hours on the phone whining about how broke I am and that I just took a job that came with a paycut (which is almost true), etc.  Then a couple of days later you tell her that you had to buy this scope from me simply in order to save my marriage.  Otherwise, you would always have this sin hanging over your head: you let a friend's marriage go hell in a handbasket because of a few hundred lousy dollars.

Should I go on or is this adequate?

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Outstanding!! Great job with the pics, Brady! Thunbs Up
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I can see now that this scope is going to cause me a lot of stress about my spending habits at the next KCR MG Shoot.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tabeast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/14/2011 at 18:58
Wow, what a new toy rush.  Ordered my SS HD 1-4 on Saturday (late) and got my "Back Order" notice today.  Last I saw, they were "available" Feb 15.  Guess the pre sale wiped out the first lot (at least of my version).  Any clue when the second ship docks?  
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That notification was computer generated because technically they won't be in stock until Feb. 15.
 
You are shipping today.
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That's great.  I called yesterday to ask and the gentleman I spoke with said a week and a half at least.  But today - that works quite well!  Thank you.
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UPS notification, mine is in the mail.

It's like Christmas - in February.  Or, as I like to think of it, Chris' belated Valentine's Day gift to me.

No homo, brother, no homo.


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Mine will be here Friday.  What size butler creek covers do I need for this?
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Finally, my idiot UPS guy didn't screw up, the brown-cloaked Santa just rang my doorbell, the SS1-4 is here.  Mine is the uncapped turrets, circle reticle.

I was fortunate enough to play with the prototype, and am very impressed with the final product.

It will be mounted this afternoon, photos to come later today.

First impressions:

1.  Turrets feel good, not too stiff, not too soft.  After spinning the turrets a few times (if yours initially feels "mushy", spin the turrets to distribute the grease, and all will be well), clicks are audible and tactile.  Clicks are well spaced, turrets are very robust, nothing moving that shouldn't be, nothing flexing that shouldn't.  I like the markings facing the shooter, reminding me of up/down and left/right changes.  It seems like a small thing, till you correct in the wrong direction because the scope maker saved a few pennies by not putting the reference marks on the turrets (are you listening, Hensoldt?)


2.  Glass is very nice, very sharp, very clear.  I'd say it falls in line nicely with the 3-9 and 10X HD trend.  Comparing to a Nightforce 1-4X, I really can't tell any difference in glass.

3.  I like the reticle.  I liked the initial reticle.  At 4X, the circle is heavy, but the target (when centered) is plenty visible.  I need to figure out the markings and check for accuracy.  It is clear and sharp and I like it.

4.  The illumination issues that plagued the prototype are gone.  (For clarification, the initial prototype had an issue with illumination bleeding out of the reticle and filling the tube.)  Bleeding is gone.  At the highest setting, it is bright enough for daytime use, but light isn't filling the tube, just illuminating the reticle.  The extra battery compartment is really, really nice; as are the half-clicks on the illumination scale.  Rather than having to back it down to zero, they have added a half-click stop where you can park the illumination rheostat next to the needed intensity but have it turned off, and just a click away from on.  For those that have worked with other illumination systems, this is going to make you hate many other ill systems (IOR, Premier...)  

5.  Eye box is nice and long - and pretty forgiving, more so at 1X but not bad at any power setting.

6.  No tunneling (I hate tunneling.)  

7.  Fit and finish are very nice, nothing rattles and nothing moves without intention and purpose.

All in all, it is a fantastic little scope.  I will have it mounted later today and will snap a few pics.  It will be on the range soon for its initial trials.  The prototype held up well to some abuse, I expect nothing less of this one..

For those on the fence, I'd take this over the Trijicon any day, same is true of the Nightforce (if only for the better  illumination system - and the $500 savings over the Nightforce 1-4X.)

I have yet to handle a Premier 1-4 or PST1-4, that may be a comparison that needs to happen soon.

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Mine will be here Friday.  What size butler creek covers do I need for this?
 
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I'm very impressed. I was lucky enough to get to spend time with the prototype of these scopes a few months ago and was hopeful that the production models would be as nice as the prototypes. I'm happy to say that the production models are better. The prototypes had a rheostat adjustment on the illumination knob. The production model has 11 positions with an off setting between each setting so you can keep the position near your favorite setting. The knob also has a compartment to keep a spare battery in, nice touch.

The eleven illumination settings run from dim enough to only be practical in total darkness to daylight practical/visible. If anything it is slightly brighter than the prototypes whose picture you may have seen in various posts.

The elevation and windage adjustments are crisp and offer enough resistance to make accidentally changing them unlikely, (I have the exposed knob model). The adjustment increments are .1 mils with 10 mils per rotation.

The glass is better than I usually buy. I own several Leupold VXIIIs, Vortex Vipers, Weavers, Bushnells and this is the best glass I own by far. It is a professional grade optic.

The finish is a black mate and appears to be pretty rugged and the same finish that the prototypes had. I know the prototypes passed through several hands before I received them. I mounted them in a SWFA mount and GG&G QD mount. How many times they were mounted I don't know but when I sent them back I could not see any ring marks.

I got the circle reticle that, coupled with the FFP feature, allows you to "switch" between a red dot like reticle to a mil dot reticle with .1 mil adjustments and 10 mils per rotation. This design shows that SWFA is not afraid to think outside the box, This is not another "Me to" BDC that depends on a specific caliber, bullet weight and barrel length for its accuracy. Rather, it is a flexible system that allows you to come up with an accurate drop chart for any caliber, bullet weight or barrel length. The mildot can also be used as a BDC if you know your trajectory and distance.

I also got one of SWFAs new mounts (manufactured by BOBRO). One was loaned to me when when I tested the prototypes and it is excellent. The "Low, slightly forward" product number SWFA201300 places the SS 1-4 HD perfectly on an AR. I've used GG&G for years for flat top optics on an AR with out much thought. This mount has an excellent fit and finish and one feature that sets it apart, The lever that releases and tightens the mount to the rail has a lock on it that must be pushed down to release it.

I'll post pics after I mount it.

Thanks SWFA you have exceeded my expectation....again.

 

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