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JGRaider
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Guess what Ted? I just bought a NIB Swaro SLC HD in 10x42 for $1490 delivered.
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RifleDude
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That's a great deal!
You can find great deals on any number of things if you look hard enough, and that applies to the items you compare against as well. But first, said items have to be available for sale, and it's easier to find those good deals once the product has been available for awhile, correct?
My point was and continues to be that you're trying to make value judgments between an item of undetermined performance that isn't available for sale yet vs. a product that has been available for some time, comparing prices on same before one ever has a chance to get the benefit of discounts, and speculating on performance without having ever seen one. You're making the assumption that today's realities of perceived value will forevermore hold true years from now. Optics manufacturers don't invest capital in making products with the anticipation of a short lifespan. If 2 years from now, nobody is buying the Razor HD, then the consumer has spoken and it's not worth the asking price. The free market has a way of working these things out.
Would you not agree that you can probably get the same discounts on the Razor HD after it's been available for sale for a couple years? Given that, would you not agree that it would be logical to conclude that the same price differential would likely exist between two products at discounted prices?
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Ted
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JGRaider
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Can't argue with that Ted. Enjoyed the discussion. As always I've learned something here. I'm off to catch some bass and crappie with my coonass buddies.
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RifleDude
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Good luck! I have some coonass relatives. Knowing what I know about them, they all love to eat and could take shoe leather and make it into a dish to die for, so I'm sure they could "whoop up" some mighty fine crappy!
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Ted
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Klamath
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JGR,
Since you brought up the perception deal, let me run this kink at you.
You have to get another binocular right now. You have a choice of two mint condition binoculars. They are the same price and within your budget. One is an SLC neu and one is a Leupold Gold Ring. Which would you get?
I know the price deal is irrelevant in the current market. But just for arguemen't sake. The reason I ask is that I "THINK" the new Razor HD will be at least as good as the Leupold GR, so from that standpoint, I think the analogy is somewhat valid.
I think the GR faced some of the same "perception" obstacles as the new Razor HD will. In spite of the fact that the GR has flourite glass and some other advances, Leupold never seemed to try and push this glass real hard. Vortex evidently has no intention of trying to market whatever real advances "HD" in fact represents.
Now to answer my own question, and to relate a little to my last post in this thread, I'd get the Leupold. I know we both think the Leupold essentially gives up nothing to the SLC neu. Neither optically , in warranty service, and certainly not in constuction. WHile the name brand personna goes to the SLC, I would opt for the Leupold because it is an American company who designed the glass, and will sell and service here. Just made it someplace else. Same philosophy will apply to Vortex. Edited by Klamath - February/24/2011 at 14:46 |
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Steve
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NDhunter
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marketplace. I would hope that these are not hyped too much as the next new Swaro. EL or SLC.
I am thinking that will not be the case.
Until then, wait until some observations, from experienced users.
The Razor has been placed in the upper mid-level range. I hope they will see some advantage over
some of the newer HD's like the ZenRay. It seems ZR has worked on some of the early problems
they have had, so the competition keeps getting better.
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JGRaider
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Steve, sorry for the delay, I just got back in town. That's a good, and tough question. However, I do agree that the GR HD gives up nothing to the SLC, but it certainly doesn't carry the esteem of the Swaro SLCneu. I would probably get the GR also, for the reasons you listed. After using the GR HD on several hunts alongside the "alphas", I could not understand why Leupold, the marketing kings, didn't really push this glass. I really, really, like it. I also don't understand why Leupold discontinued the line, but didn't have a replacement ready and waiting. Doesn't make sense to me.
Make no mistake, I would really like for an American owned company to give the euros a real run for their money.
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Bitterroot Bulls
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I believe Vortex is American owned. |
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-Matt
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Klamath
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Steve
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avid3d
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howdy all, i just found this site and wanted to share my experiance with the new razors. following is a review i did for another site.......... couldn't figure out how to post a pic of them..
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well, fedex dropped off my new 8x42 razor hd binos a couple of day ago and i’ve been having fun since then. i was expecting to see some nice glass, and i have owned some of the original razors, but the glass in these new hd’s keeps blowing my mind every time i look through them. razor is a great name because it describes what you see.......... razor sharp detail and the colors come through true and bright. they have a nice solid feel, the mechanics are smooth. eyecups have nice solid stops, so they stay where you set them. the focus wheel is large and really makes focusing easy. yesterday i took them to my local high end optics dealer with the idea of comparing with other high end glass. my test was a shaded balcony on an apartment building a quarter mile away. the day was dark and overcast which i thought was a good thing since i wanted to see how much light these would gather in. the first binos i asked to see was 8x42 swaro’s and they didn’t have any so i had to compare with 8x32’s ($1950) instead. one thing i noticed right off the bat was a slight violet tint at the very edge of the view. the razors had no tint whatsoever. i then looked for distortion at the edge. again, the razors came out on top with barely perceptible at the very edge. i also checked them for chromatic aberration (which is violet distortion around images in high contrast situations like tree leaves agains the daytime sky). i could see no difference between the swaro’s and the razors. on the balcony was a red plant back in the shadows. both binos were able to pick it up with the razors definately doing a better job. i’m going to surmise that if i’d had a pair of 8x42 swaro’s, they would have done at least just as good as the razors, maybe better........ who knows, but it would have been extremely close. the shop owner then handed me nikons top of the line 8x42’s ($1400) and within seconds, it was clear they didn’t have a chance against the razors. i could not find the red flower and the sharpness just wasn’t there. then he came over and had some zeis 8x40’s ($1900) to try. they were better than the nikons, but didn’t come up to the razors or swaros. another thing i’ll mention is that i decided to try 8’s instead of 10’s, since these are just for target and i’m mainly out 80 yards max. there is more depth of field with these and i’ve never achieved such an easy time getting things perfectly focused. so that’s it........ anyone looking for top end glass, would not be well served if they left out vortex razor hd’s from the list. they are selling online for $1180. |
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lucytuma
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Thanks for sharing, I've always found the that Vortex adds alot of value to their products.
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jseballos23
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Did you look through the Swaro's EL SV's?
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avid3d
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they were out of them. only 8x32 el's. i strongly believe that they would closely compare with 42's for less than half the cost...
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RifleDude
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Welcome to OT, avid, and thanks for your review!
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Ted
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Bird Watcher
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Here's a link to some of their newer stuff for 2011.
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avid3d
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my pleasure, and glad to be here.....
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Outrider
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Some of us keep waiting on the upgraded 8.5 X 50 Razor to hit the street. I received an email response from Vortex on April 14 indicating the Razor 50 MM would become available in May. Still waiting.
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avid3d
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let's drag this back to top for some great glass.....
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bogey
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I was going to get the 8.5x50 razor but didn't like the feel as much as the 8x42 and thus got the 8x. I think its a great bino.
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xiaochun3612
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That's a good, and tough question. However, I do agree that the GR HD
gives up nothing to the SLC, but it certainly doesn't carry the esteem
of the Swaro SLCneu. I would probably get the GR also, for the reasons
you listed. After using the GR HD on several hunts alongside the
"alphas", I could not understand why Leupold, the marketing kings,
didn't really push this glass. I really, really, like it.
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Believe myself.
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