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Kickboxer
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Posted: September/25/2011 at 14:02 |
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Actually, price is only a "consideration"... lowest bidder often does not win. The biggest "hangup" in DoD purchasing is the concept of "adequate to perform the requirements" and, often, contracting will modify requirements, arbitrarily, to lower the total cost. DoD contracting is an organization rewarded for decreasing cost, not necessisarily providing the most usable or functional product. The whole system SUCKS... There are, however, ways around the idiocy of governent contracting personnel. Fortunately...
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koshkin
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A couple of comments:
-We have no information on which scope is the toughest. Only the manufacturers know how many of their scopes break and they virtually never release the information. My personal impression is that most similarly priced scopes are made similarly well, although there are of course exceptions. -Anecdotal evidence suggests that most companies can build simple scopes to a high standard of durability. The more complicated the design, the more you should expect to spend for that durability. -Lastly, I would not put too much trust in what the military picks. Aside from the simple fact that they sometimes have fairly oddball requirements that are specific to use with their gear (not always available to civilians), they do not necessarily pick the best product. They pick the product that is the cheapest, or the most important to a particular lobbyist, or the most beneficial to the guy banging the niece of the cousin of the uncle of some procurement honcho in DC, or.... ILya
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ebow86
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Interesting, I would have thought it would have gone farther back that that.
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billyburl2
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1998. Not sure when it replaced the M3 Ultra of the same configuration. Mil reticle, and MOA adjustments, old technology.
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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ebow86
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Not suprising at all. You say "very old choice", how old are we talking here?
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billyburl2
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No...It is a very old choice. The Army has not upgraded its "sniper day-optic" for a long long time. There are much better choices, both "for the money", and durability/capability wise.
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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stickbow46
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Most of the ones Wes mentioned are being used & also I understand S&B just got a nice contract along with the new Leupold 1.1-8x24 mk8 cqbss.
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ebow86
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I take it you mean leupold. Intresting choice for the US Army.
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billyburl2
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Marines use S&B, and Premier. Army is still using Leuppy.
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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ebow86
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Is there a particular brand that the US military supply's our soldiers with or are there many different brands being used?
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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The scope used here is a 6x42 leupold FX3 Competition Hunter and the rifle is a Kimber Montana. The video does debunk the idea that one had to have a bull barrel and do special break in to hit long range targets. One does however have to have eihter open tactical or covered target knobs to dial in correction at long range and as you can see his balistic chart is taped to the stock.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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European buys you better glass not a tougher scope. Combat Optics like the Aimpoint Comp M4s and the Trijicon ACOGS are designed for abuse. Fixed power scopes are typically able to sustain the most abuse and continue to function so a fixed 6x or fixed 10x is a rock solid choice. If you want a top quality scope that is tough think Heinsoldt or U.S. Optics or Nightforce, or Premier. If you want to save some money and have a tough scope look at the Super Sniper scopes. Just remember scopes are glass so there is a limit to how tough any of them are.
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The ZF6x42 on the PSG-1 was always "inop". Only thing about it I didn't like. Then sometimes, it would just "come on".
The Hensoldt ZF6-24x72 that MY WONDERFUL WIFE purchased FOR ME, has never given me any problems, but it has not seen high usage. I don't use illumination much, anyway, but there are times when it is good to have. I hope mine never fails, but would not be surprised at it.
yes, you would think a halfway decent scope maker like Zeiss/Hensoldt could at least make the IR work. Maybe one of these days they'll get their act together. Until then, I guess I'll just have to depend on my wife to make my major scope purchases for me. If she keeps trying, maybe she'll get me a good one...
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Really, you would think a semi good production scope would work as advertizes. What a junker.... First of next week i'm sending a gaylord of used scope to the recyling center. shot it to me and I'll get you a nice door stop or parper weight out of it. Then I bet it will work all the time..
No wait, you can't do that. Thats your wifes scope, NO NO, never mind, SHE bought it for you.......
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Kickboxer
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Hensoldt is the mil spec, "hardened" Zeiss...
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Hensoldt has always had a problem with illumination... Works great, so far, on mine but it is always a concern to me.
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Depends on what the scope is designed to do. My vote goes to Trijicon ACOG's.
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ebow86
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I haven't seen any mention of some of the big european brands like Zeiss, Leica, and Swarovski, how do these scopes stack up against the one's currently mentioned?
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Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - September/20/2011 at 20:54 |
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