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Posted: January/24/2012 at 09:02 |
id put the ss on it if it was mine.
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 09:04 |
pyro6999 wrote:
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 09:09 |
Great list of scopes "G", I've always been curious about the SIII line on scopes.
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 09:15 |
koskin likes them a fair amount i think
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 09:35 |
Good news... I think you have some good choices. I haven't had the opportunity to try all the latest scopes but will share my experience to date. I shoot a lot at 600 yards and some at 1000 yards with my custom .300 Dakota which has nearly identical ballistics to the RUM. I use a Leuy 6.5-20x40 on that. It is deadly accurate and has plenty of magnification for shooting prairie dogs at 1000 yards. I use a 20 MOA base and turret adjustments on that but agree with you that a mi-dot reticle is best for hunting applications. I get 3.5 inch five shot groups at 1000 yard and under 2 inches at 600 yards so I am happy with its visibility and its accuracy. That is with Berger 210s. All scopes I would consider have good enough CLARITY to do the job. Therefore, the ONLY thing I care about at long range is ACCURACY. For me the Leupy 6.5-20 with great accuracy is my baseline. If my groups get bigger at 1000 yards with any other scope, that means the scope is bad for me. If the groups get smaller, that scope is WONDERFUL. I am not nearly as interested in perfect optical clarity as I am about accuracy without a perfect cheek weld for very long range hunting applications. I also use a 4200 Elite Tactical 6-24x50 on my 25-06 for varmints. Although it is a little heavier, it has done very well. It is clear at all magnifications, has a nice visible mil-dot reticle and has minimal paralax. You don't have to have a perfect cheek weld to hit where the reticle is aiming. I feel comfortable ranging and hitting p-dogs almost 100% at 600 yards. In about three seconds, I ranged and shot a 500 yard antelope in the heart a few months ago and that was just too easy. I haven't had the pleasure of using them but I am curious about the Vortex Vipers and the Elite 6500s. I like the features but they have to be accurate at long range and beat my Leupy (no parallax) before I would use them. I also want to explore the Nikons... they sure have clarity far beyond their price competition. Makes me wonder if they are accurate too. I wish someone would perform an accuracy test on these scopes. I appreciate any factual comparisons but see people diferentiating features and light transmission. We can see these things ourselves but it takes time to shoot them for 25 rounds at 600 or 1000 yards to tell the real accuracy difference. (By the way, I would be happy to do that with a very accurate rifle in the interest of science if SWFA could supply a few trial scopes). Best of luck with your new toy! (By the way, I slowed my 210s down to 2850 fps for minimal recoil and maximum accuracy at 1000 yards... As I crossed over 3150 fps, my eyes crossed and my groups got big). I don't use a muzzle brake because of noise and neighbor annoyance but that would allow more speed.
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 13:18 |
Dakotaman wrote:
I get 3.5 inch five shot groups at 1000 yard and under 2 inches at 600 yards |
That is really good shooting Dakotaman! Especially since I believe the 2006 world record in the light gun class was somewhere around 3.8" for ten rounds.
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 17:00 |
While I dearly love the Trijicon Accupoint scopes the sad truth is they only have 50 moa of internal adjustment and the knobs are 1/4moa clicks. Do not use over a plus 20 moa rail if you select this scope.
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 17:06 |
While I like this scope it has its limitations because to use the balistic reicle you have to figure out the right power to set it on for your bullet. There is a calculator on the Zeiss web site but a bit complex. For a 300WSM running 190 SMK at 2900 fps I was at 6x at 300 and about 10x the rest of the way out but its no where near as easy for me as tactical knobs and dialing in correction.
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 17:09 |
Thanks Sparky, it IS very good and I feel pretty lucky to get that. I'm not bragging, just making the point that the scope is about as good as they get and that is why I use it. A group that size has only happened once for me and I feel you just have to be lucky when it happens. However, there is a big difference between a five and a ten shot group at that range. Also, by now I believe the record is closer to 2.2 inches but I'm not a competetive shooter so don't know for sure. It is real easy for the wind to blow one an extra three inches at any time. The same day I shot that group, I had a REAL nice four shot group going and was really trying to put the last bullet right in the middle of the group. I took too long taking the shot and failed to notice that the wind had died completely in about 30 seconds. My last shot hit 17 inches to the right... that's 1000 yard shooting. My barrel is as good as anyone's though and it might be able to set records if I would just get in a match... At least that's what the barrel maker's VP of Engineering advised.
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 17:09 |
Thanks for all the great suggestions so far, it is greatly appreciated.
As far as weight goes, the more the merrier. I've only shot the rifle a handful of times, and to be perfectly honest, recoil didn't feel much more than a hunting buddies 7mm Mag. Granted it was 150gr Rem factory loads; the 200-210gr handloads I'm planning will have a little more thump to the shoulder.
I don't think the recoil is really as bad as it is made out to be. I wouldn't want to sit and burn through a couple hundred rounds with it, but it's far from the "holy crap what just happened and who are you?" kick I was expecting lol.
Rifle is a left hand 700 BDL. I'm going to put a 1 piece 20MOA base on it, what height rings would you guys suggest? First 700 I've owned.
Again, thanks for the recommendations, definitely some more options to ponder.
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Posted: January/24/2012 at 17:21 |
With a 30mm tube and 50 mm objective on a Plus 20 moa Talley rail low rings will be tight with lens caps so Medium is usually a better choice.
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Posted: January/25/2012 at 04:54 |
Has anyone looked through the SWFA andViper PST side by side? I may be able to look at a vortex this week at cabalas, but no SWFA scopes around that I know of.
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Posted: January/25/2012 at 06:49 |
This is my 300RUM with the SS 5x20HD. Its a great scope for this round or any other round.
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