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8shots
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I have fired around 250 rounds through my 6mmAI.
I clean it after evrey range session, whuch amounts to about 50 rounds. I use Shooters Choice, Shooters copper removal and Boretech Carbon removal. Heavy soaks and lots of time for it to do its thing.
However, after my last session, this is after 250 rounds total through the barrel, I could feel the patch push harder through the throat area and then softer through the rest of the barrel. The patch comes out clean (white).
I then did a bit of scrubbing with the bronze brush, only in the throat area. Black gunk came out. Soaked again carbon cleaner, patch comes out clean. Scrub with wire brush, black gunk. I repeated this process about twenty times, even using a brand new bronze brush to eliminate the brush as the source of the carbon.
So after a couple of bronze brush scrubs the patch came out clean.
Whats up here??
My take is that all this expensive stuff is not doing its job. Remember, I soaked and soaked, sometimes even overnight.
A good old bronze brush scrubbing did the trick, with Ballistol oil. The paatch also now felt smooth throuhout the barrel.
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I use nylon brushes because I felt the brass brushes were mixing with the cleaning agent that I use, Barnes CR-10, and causing the "blue" left on the patches. Wasn't black though.
Also, you may want to consider using Tubbs Throat Maintenance system to smooth out the throat. I did and noticed that the barrel was easier to clean and had less drag on the patches. Other than that, I'm not sure why your getting the results you've gotten, 8. |
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Thanks, I will see if I can lay my hands on some of these.
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I've found carbon is harder to deal with than copper...and you don't want to leave ammonia-based solvents for long. They can etch the barrel. I soak a .45 bore mop with M-Pro 7 and leave that jammed in the chamber overnight (with the rifle upside down and with the muzzle slightly lower than the action). The mop will be covered with flakes of carbon. I used to use GM Top Engine cleaner but that stuff is highly toxic. I then run patches through on a spud with a copper solvent until they come out completely clean. I stopped brushing altogether.
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Reaction time is a factor...
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rustic
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I use a bore snake in the field as often as possible. Carbon and copper have never been a problem for me.
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Is this the only cleaning you do, is with a Bore Snake?
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Bigdaddy0381
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cleaning is over rated." Just shoot"....
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Roy Finn
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Stupid question time...........Are you running moly coated bullets ? .
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rustic
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For the barrel... Yes. |
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Sparky
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What type of cleaning solutions do you use? |
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Bitterroot Bulls
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Wipe Out will remove ALL of the fouling without any scrubbing at all.
It is like a miracle product.
Use Wipe Out overnight sometime, and check the bore with a borescope afterwards. Amazing.
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-Matt
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rustic
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Where do you get that at??
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I order it online, but I have also seen it sold locally. |
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-Matt
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8shots
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No using Sierra Blitzking, no molycoats.
I thought all the carbon removal stuff would after several soaks clean it all out. But it does not seem to be so. A brush is still required.
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Rustic, if the only thing you use is a Bore Snake to clean your barrels, you probably have more of a copper problem than you presently know.
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Bigdaddy0381
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Just soak it in this for a few minutes http://www.tetraproducts.com/product_view.asp?ID=4 and patch it out. No brush needed. if you think you need to brush it do so. This is some good stuff. i have seen it work wonders and it stinks to high heaven.
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Agreed. |
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-Matt
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Especially on factory rifles. All mine copper foul like crazy. Bore snakes work great at breaking loose some carbon between cleanings, but beyond that they do not do much.
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+1 on the Wipe Out.
There is another foaming bore cleaner that removes carbon and copper, but I can't remember if it's Outters, or Birchwood Casey's.
Wipe Out is still my first choice though. Haven't had to use a bore brush since I started using it.
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