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RifleDude
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Opinions will vary, but if you want the very best LR scope money can buy, I'd look at Hensoldt and/or March. There may be other optics that are just as good, but none better in an absolute sense. |
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MZ5
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Perhaps, just as a suggestion, you would prefer to buy a couple of scopes and see how you like them? The hyper-expensive scopes don't seem to sell for very much less than new prices, on the secondary market, so one would probably not be out too much with such an approach. Plus, then you'd have the benefit of your own preferences and viewpoint, rather than hoping others' preferences, viewpoints, and perceptions of things. Just a thought. |
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dnilson
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I'm really leaning towards a Swarovski Z6i, but no else has even mentioned them. Why is that? I've been told they have some of the best glass available. Is this not the case? Thanks!
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dnilson
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I truly hope you're trying to be helpful and not sarcastic. Hard to tell. I'm very interested in the preferences, viewpoints and perceptions of others as a means of learning what others, more knowledgeable than I, believe to be the more valuable, high quality optics. Surely there was a time when you were new and had to learn from others. Also, I'm not rich, but am comfortable and have worked long and VERY hard for my money, so when I say price is no object, I'm not trying to be ostentatious, just saying that I've worked hard for what I have and can now afford the best (I'm in my 50's). I love to shoot and would like to compete, but I have a nerve injury in my leg which prevents me from getting involved in 3 gun competitions and I thought long range competitions might be an option...hence the interest in getting the best scope possible. Also, why buy two scopes, when, with time and learning (believe it or not, I've done quite a bit of research on my own, but there is no substitute for experience and all I'm asking for is help from those with experience, rather than dealing with sales people who have their own agendas), I can buy one, best possible scope and get it right the first time. I know S&B makes extremely good optics, but I'm most interested in the very BEST possible glass and the more I read, it appears that Zeiss may make the best glass. Anyone agree/disagree? Thanks in advance!
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dnilson
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Also, I'm not asking for anyone to actually choose the best scope for me, just wanting the consensus on the best possible glass and answers to a few other questions. I can take it from there.
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billyburl2
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http://opticsthoughts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98:high-end-tactical-scopes-part-3&catid=4:rifle-scope-reviews&Itemid=4
This about the most comprehensive review I have read on the glass in the SWFA SS 5-20. And it is compared to some other very good scopes. edit for spelling.
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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supertool73
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The z6 is a great scope. But they are hunting scopes. It would not do the role of target/ tactical scope very well. There are others that would be much better |
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Ernie Bishop
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Best glass for me would be either be S&B or Hensoldt.
For me I would go with S&B because of a reticle option I prefer. Never used a March. |
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Ernie
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MZ5
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Correct. I understand exactly what you mean about seeking opinions, and I do this myself. OTOH, I find it to be very common for me that just because someone else likes a particular television set (something we've purchased recently) doesn't mean that I do. Audio and visual items/characteristics, I have found, are quite subjective. Many people have told me, sticking with the television example, that I need to be looking at the 'quality' of the black areas of the screen/picture. I have found that, while I understand what they're saying, I don't particularly care about that. I care much more about the colors on the screen, and how true-to-life they look to me. I've also found that just because I like the color of a particular set, doesn't mean that most others do. I have found this in part by looking at sets in person, and in part by buying one/some and discovering it's/they're not my preference. I've done the same thing with riflescopes. So, I may have mis-taken what I thought I detected coming through in the thread. Either way, with the budget you have allocated, I think you have the latitude to try a couple of things and see what you like, first-hand, for yourself.
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Alan Robertson
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For me, the Z6 beats out the top end Zeiss, but we're splitting hairs... better very low light resolution and just some (to me) indefinable quality/comfortable view in the Z6. Others will likely have a different opinion. disclaimer: I don't own a Z6, just a PH, but a year and a half or so ago, the good folks at Heartland Outdoors in Edmond, OK let me do a fairly involved low light test with a Z6 and a Diavari, hence the "opinion". |
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Skylar McMahon
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Scott
Since your are on the eastcoast specifically SC, you might try to PM Cheaptrick or SVT, I'm not sure how far geographically they are from you, but they may hook up with you and let you check out there SS.
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SVT_Tactical
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Skylar McMahon
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SWEET Scott there you go, one guy more than willing to hook up with you. Have to love this forum.
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Boblor
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March X Tactical 5x50 or 8x80.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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This would be my pick for long range if price was no object:
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billyburl2
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+1, except I would choose any other reticle over the Horus! I wouldn't want to clutter up that sight picture with a Christmas Tree...
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If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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Unfortunately for me price is what holds me back so my best scope is a 5-20x50 Super Sniper, and I do have a couple of Leupold Mk4 scopes that I also enjoy. Some day I would dearly love to have a U.S. Optics scope but I have been really pleased with the Super Sniper scopes I have owned considering the value I recieved for the dollars I paid. I particularly like the fixed 6x42 and I believe that the glass in those $299.95 scopes is quite acceptable for my use. I recently ordered this one 16x42 MQ. http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-16x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P53715.aspx
I understand the idea that good glass is important but I also understand that you can have the worlds best glass and not have tactical knobs to dial in correction like Swarovski hunting scopes and you may end your hunt by seeing a great view through the best glass as the deer runs away because you couldnt dial in correction. Anytime you select one scope over another there are trade offs and a guy has to weight what is important to him. I think guys that hunt should limit the distance they choose to shoot large game at to the distance they regularly practice. I prefer to shoot my deer at 200 yds or less most of the time its way less because I hunt a bow more than a firearm. Would I be comfortable shooting a deer at longer distances sure but I would spend time on the range at the distances I wished to work at and know how to correct for the trajectory and wind. Top Quality Glass may be nice to have but try to keep in mind that the quality of glass from only a few years ago say Vietnam era is nowhere what the quality of glass is in an HD Super Sniper or a Zeiss Conquest today.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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I know the christmas tree Horus reticle looks busy but I kind of like it and would enjoy having it but reticle is a personal preference issue.
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Rancid Coolaid
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The "Christmas tree" reticles have grown on me.
Old dog, new trick, or something.
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Horsemany
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I've got a Diavari and Z6 as well as other Swarovski's. IMO the Zeiss is slightly more crisp and I prefer the FFP on a hunting scope. So if the question is best glass, I'd have to say the best scope I've ever looked through is a Zeiss.
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