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RifleDude
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You're very welcome, Gil.
This isn't a design problem with Remington triggers per se. This is an issue that can crop up with ALL enclosed trigger assemblies with side plates -- Remington, Timney, Rifle Basix, Shilen, Jewell, Sako / Tikka, Howa, Savage, Kimber, Cooper, Browning A-Bolt and X-Bolt, new style Win 70, and so forth. The reason is simple -- the side plates trap the crud inside. This is why the original Winchester M70 trigger design is probably the most foolproof trigger ever created. It's mechanically simple and totally open. The tradeoff is it's not capable of having quite as good a trigger pull as the multi-lever, more complex designs, which all require enclosed assemblies with side plates to hold the pins and multiple moving parts in position. You have to keep triggers clean to ensure function. Don't let oil and grease fall inside the assembly, which attracts crud. Bottom line is always practice the 4 basic rules of gun safety and even if you do have an unintended discharge because of this, other than frightening you, you and those around you will still be safe, since the firing pin cannot contact the primer unless the bolt is closed. Closing the bolt slowly will also lessen the chance of the primer being ignited, as you're unloading the firing pin spring gradually as the cocking piece slowly rides down the cocking cam, rather than letting its full stored energy release all at once.
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Good info Ted!
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Gil P.
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Update:
Since my last post, I managed to bend the safety plate on the outside of the trigger housing slightly, making it almost impossible to engage the safety. While the trigger was in this condition, I noticed that the trigger had a heavier pull than before. I went for a little while without shooting it and called Timney's customer service. They have fantastic CS and I was able to get a new safety plate within a week. I installed the new plate without a problem, the safety works fine now. But when I went to the range the trigger pull seemed very heavy (don't have a trigger pull gauge). The pull was set at 2.5 pounds by a gunsmith and it felt great, I never had any problems with the trigger until it started going off when I locked the bolt down as described above. When I got home today, I adjusted the trigger pull per Timney's instructions and it seems to have lightened the pull a little bit, except the firing pin is being released just like before when I lock the bolt down. I have never adjusted the sear engagement. Also the firing pin releases whenever I lock the bolt down hard, and occasionally when I gently lock it down. |
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Gil P.
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So I tried setting the sear engagement back to factory settings and my problem seems to have been resolved. It did say that I need to turn the sear engagement "one flat turn counter clockwise" to adjust it back to normal. I don't know what one flat turn in, so I just turned it about 1/8 and called it good. If I turned it one full turn counterclockwise, the trigger would move a lot. I was able to pull the trigger shoe back towards me and then have to push it back to return it to its original position which didn't seem right.
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Kickboxer
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I forgot all about this thread.
I do... takes more time, but then I am sure I check and make sure everything is as clean as it can be. I like looking at the construction. However, mostly nowadays, I just send rifles to my gunsmith for a good cleaning every year. I've found that method easiest and least time consuming. I've never asked him what he does... probably will now the next time I take him a rifle.
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you mean when you visit your 50?
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Kickboxer
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No, apparently I don't have visitation rights...
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I'm now thinking maybe I should leave the old military two-stage trigger in my VZ 24....you guys are making me nervous!! |
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cheaptrick
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My Rem 700 in .223 has this issue too.
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Gil P.
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Does anyone know anything about setting the correct sear engagement on the Timney 510? I think that may be where the problem is since my trigger when back to normal after I played with the sear engagement adjustment. I just dont know if I did it right.
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Bigdaddy0381
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If I get one for clean $ service, the trigger group dose come apart (all of it). If someone pays me $65 for cleaning I'm going to do the job right. I do polish a few parts in the trigger to get the gravel feel out and set it to 4 pounds after I put it back together. I also polish the chamber. I just want people happy with there stuff when they get it back. |
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Kickboxer
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I've got this KelTec 9mm...
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Bigdaddy0381
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sub2000?
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Kickboxer
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nah... just a PF-9... needs a trigger job and I've been too busy (and too lazy) to get around to it. I'll get it done someday. Probably a 30 minute job and I just never remember it at the right time... which shows that I just really don't want to do it... kind of like an AR...
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Bigdaddy0381
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LOL, I got'ya. Just let me get the CZ right and I'll swap them out.
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Bigdaddy0381
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yeah, i got to play with the ar a while... someone has to get it working correctly...lol
Edited by Kickboxer - August/05/2013 at 11:26 |
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THEN AGAIN i'M SURE THE 50 WOULDN'T MIND SOME COMPANY....
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Kickboxer
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Gil, did you ever have any progress on that bolt issue?
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koshkin
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Or you could try the trigger from Huber concepts. It takes a little tweaking to get it properly working, but once done it works well and it is not an enclosed design. ILya
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