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    Posted: June/08/2006 at 01:04

Most quality scopes are rated for 375 H&H.  The usual top contenders will handle the heavier stuff.

 

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  Quote Urimaginaryfrnd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/08/2006 at 12:35
One posibility would be the new 3-9 Nikon Omega Muzzleloader scope (I know that sounds odd but there are a couple of reasons).  It has 5 inches of eye relief ( that is so much that you really have to mount it way forward - the result is it wont hit you in the eye, and it is built to withstand 150grain blackpowder charges.   50 cal musket with 150 gr blackpowder kicks a lot like my 375 H&H .  Another  really good choice would be Nikon Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42 possibly the best choice because most of these guns are intended for large dangerous game under field conditions and the lower power range is better for that plus the 42 mm with 30 mm tube lets in a lot of light and is ideal right before dark. Burris 1.75-5x32 Signature Safari Rifle Scope LRS Fast Plex is designed for this and has a lit reticle. Another Good posibility is an Aimpoint red dot 1x which will come on target very fast but you better carry extra batteries you might not find them on safari I would use the 9000L probably with the 2moa dot and mounting it a little forward for eye relief is no problem.
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  Quote rootmanslim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/08/2006 at 15:53
On my 12 bore slug gun, my 375 H&H and 400 H&H there is only one scope. The Leupold 1-4x20mm. Lots of eye relief, unbeatable optics, the best guarantee and the ability to shoot fast at 1X while still having 4X if you need it. Get the heavy duplex and you can still shoot when you can't see the ground.
I even used one on my 10 gauge Browning BPS for goose hunting and it never failed in spite of huge recoil, terrible conditions and spending a lot of time lying in the bottom of the boat with a wet big dog.
The old Lyman Alaskan All Weather 2.5X is a good choice with huge eye relief as are the hard to find Leupold Alaskans 2.5, 4 and 6Xs, all of which have much more eye relief than 99% of today's scopes. The euro scopes are the worst, I always cringe when I see a 416 Rigby with a soft pad and some $1000 euro scope with 3" of eye relief.Blood on the shooting coat!
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  Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/08/2006 at 16:22
Originally posted by rootmanslim

On my 12 bore slug gun, my 375 H&H and 400 H&H there is only one scope. The Leupold 1-4x20mm. Lots of eye relief, unbeatable optics, the best guarantee and the ability to shoot fast at 1X while still having 4X if you need it. Get the heavy duplex and you can still shoot when you can't see the ground.
I even used one on my 10 gauge Browning BPS for goose hunting and it never failed in spite of huge recoil, terrible conditions and spending a lot of time lying in the bottom of the boat with a wet big dog.
The old Lyman Alaskan All Weather 2.5X is a good choice with huge eye relief as are the hard to find Leupold Alaskans 2.5, 4 and 6Xs, all of which have much more eye relief than 99% of today's scopes. The euro scopes are the worst, I always cringe when I see a 416 Rigby with a soft pad and some $1000 euro scope with 3" of eye relief.Blood on the shooting coat!


Unbeatable optics on a 1-4x20 Leupold VX-II?  I strongly disagree with that.

There are a few scopes that are, in my opinion, unuquely suited for kickers.  Burris Signature Safari 1.75-5x32 would have to be at the top of the list.

Of the fixed magnification scopes, Leupold FX-II 2.5x20 would be an excellent choice.

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  Quote hotshot110 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/08/2006 at 17:49
I have a 3-9 zeiss conquest on my 338 um. I just use this rifle for elk and black bear.But the eye relief on this scope was much appreciated when i was sighting in this rifle. I never had the scope hit me and as anybody who owns a338um will tell ya it kicks very hard.
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  Quote mwyates Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/08/2006 at 21:05
A survey of custom rifle builders revealed their top choice for hard kickers to be the Leupold VX III 1.5-5X20.  Their choice was not based on eye relief or optical quality, but on durability.  The Leupold was the only scope that consistently stood up to the recoil.  All had horror stories of all the high-dollar Euros crapping out after only a few rounds (not consistently, but too frequently).  Most believed that weight was a primary consideration, as the 1.5-5 weighs less than 10oz.
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  Quote Trinidad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/08/2006 at 21:46

I second the VX III 1.5-5X20 for this purpose. That is what I have on my witworth 375

and it has shot flawlessly for 9 years now and I have never had a problem with the eye

relief on this scope. I really like the features on the new Leupold PR with the win.308

175gr Special Purpose reticle, this new scope would be my top choice for a PSO 1

replacement on my Tigr but I feel that it is overpriced right now at 600$ and I am

patiently waiting for something similar or better to come out at a better price.

 

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  Quote rootmanslim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/09/2006 at 11:42
What you all seem to miss is that ANY magnification on a dangerous game rifle is an invitation to a stomping or a chawing. 1.5X doesn't sound like much but it's not 1X nor does it facilitate the both eyes open method. As for these experts that say a 1.5-5 Loopie is more durable than a 1-4... BS! its bulletproof and unlike the "experts" my 4 have been shot hundreds if not 1000s of times not a 10 shot sighting in followed by 5 shots in Africa. Old Bill Weaver who probably killed more game than all the modern experts combined swore by his K1 and except for not being as weatherproof as the Loopie he was right.As to these high power vaiables... Finn had it right:"If big game is too far away to be shot with a 4x scope, it's too far away to shoot at."
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  Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/09/2006 at 14:17
No scope is bulletproof.  Every manufacturer has duds here and there.  I am glad that your particular 1-4x has worked well for you, but since I strongly suspect that 1-4x and 1.4-5x are assembled in the same place I expect assembly quality to be the same.  If anything, there is probably a bit more stringent quality control on 1.5-5x since it is a more expensive scope.

As for aiming with both eyes open, I can do that pretty comfortably with scopes up to 2.5x or so.  I do not think 1.5x is any great barrier to fast target acquisition.  I would expect availability of thick, highly visible reticles to be a more important issue.

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  Quote rootmanslim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/09/2006 at 16:10
So Koshkin, the question becomes how many charging Rhinos, brown bears, cape buffalo, elephants have you shot with that 1.5x leupold? Betcha the truth is ZERO. You're picking the flysh*t out of the pepper to argue which of 2 fine scopes is better. All I can cite is my experience which while not engaging big nasties, is far in excess in terms of primers popped to all the whore writers who take the free hunting trips and praise the lastest whatever. I see now that a Simmons scope is the greatest thing in the world because of some new erector system. UH HUH just like all those STUPID short magnums that won't do anything my ancient 300 H&H will except pop rounds out of the magazine and jam. If you're hunting in the lower 48 and you can't kill it with a 30-06 and a 4x scope, it's time to take up golf!
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  Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/09/2006 at 16:44
OK.

I do not play golf.  I've never seen a charging rhino (and I hope I never will).  I am not a whore writer of any sort (before you disapprove of them so strongly, I suggest you try to run a magazine without advertising income).  I have encountered a few unpleasant critters out in the wild, and  unfortunately, I was very much unarmed.  The only thing I learned from that is to stay away from unpleasant critters the best I can.

I am not a big fan of Simmons scopes that I've seen.  I could not care less about short magnums (or long, or medium or any other sort of magnums).  I mostly shoot cartridges like 280Rem, 7.5x55Swiss, 8x57Mauser, etc.  I've shot a few rifles chambered for 300WSM and did not have any problems with jamming or anything else (these were A-Bolts).

My experience with fly$hit is very limited, so I'll leave that to you.

I have somewhat more experience with scopes, so I feel comfortable commenting on that.  The two scopes in question, if I understand this correctly, are the VX-II 1-4x20 and VX-III 1.5-5x20.  I am generally not a big fan of Leupold scopes, but I am a big fan of low range variables and I've spent a fair bit of time with these two among others.  VX-III 1.5-5x20  has better glass and longer eye relief than VX-II 1-4x20.  If I were to pick one of these for a dangerous game rifle I would most certainly go with a VX-III with either a German #4 reticle or heavy duplex reticle.  I find VX-II to be a rather mediocre scope for the money and I think VX-III is easily worth the price difference.  Someone who can not afford a VX-III should get a Weaver V3 which is just as good as a VX-II for half the price (there is a gazillion of V3 scopes out there on hard kicking shotguns and they seem to be very durable).

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  Quote rootmanslim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/09/2006 at 16:59
yeah big difference in eye relief ONE TENTH of ONE INCH. you musta owned a lot of 1-4s HAHAHA!
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