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So, how many ARs would Dan own if he LIKED them?
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ALL of them, he dose NOT like them so he stopped at 13.

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Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

ALL of them, he dose NOT like them so he stopped at 13.


That is absolutely in error… I only have 10. 
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IIRC, the answer to this was .260.
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.308 Winchester: the cartridge that all other calibers want to be. 8mm Mauser: the cartridge that .308 Winchester wished it could beDevil
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

.308 Winchester: the cartridge that all other calibers want to be. 8mm Mauser: the cartridge that .308 Winchester wished it could beDevil
Just buy a chamber reamer and take that K98 to a proper 8mm-06. Then you'll have something.
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Originally posted by urbaneruralite urbaneruralite wrote:

IIRC, the answer to this was .260.

I think the answer to it now is the 6.5 CreedSmile
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Originally posted by Ernie Bishop Ernie Bishop wrote:

Originally posted by urbaneruralite urbaneruralite wrote:

IIRC, the answer to this was .260.

I think the answer to it now is the 6.5 CreedSmile
Yep. Creedmore has the edge in popularity these days and may have the slightest edge in inherent accuracy. "If" Remington had introduced the 260 with faster twist and a little longer throat, then had issued factory ammo loaded closer to the potential of the little 260, made more brass available to loaders and spent some time promoting the cartridge, we might not be having this conversation.

 
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

.308 Winchester: the cartridge that all other calibers want to be. 8mm Mauser: the cartridge that .308 Winchester wished it could beDevil
Just buy a chamber reamer and take that K98 to a proper 8mm-06. Then you'll have something.

Yeah, I'd have a waist of money for little or no gain.
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It's settled 6.5 Creedmoor.



BF is old and so is the 8MM.



In deference to our " RD " 7MM Winkle is OK also!

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Don't sell the 8mm short. From my experience, the 8mm is more than an equal to the 30-06.
Now before this argument gets all mucked up, I'm talking REAL 8mm Mauser military loads, and not those down loaded commercial loads made for pre 1910 Mauser 98s. There is a big difference between the two.
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That's why 7mmSTW rules… 8mm RemMag necked down to 7mm. Which makes it AWESOME.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Don't sell the 8mm short. From my experience, the 8mm is more than an equal to the 30-06.
Now before this argument gets all mucked up, I'm talking REAL 8mm Mauser military loads, and not those down loaded commercial loads made for pre 1910 Mauser 98s. There is a big difference between the two.

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Tried my favorite powder for the 308 (Leverevolution) in a new 7mm08 26" barrel in a Savage 10 action. Using a 145 gr all copper bullet I measured 2940 fps with no pressure signs using WLRM primers.  There is published data using CFE 223 in the 2016 Hodgdon Annual Manual and is a similar powder.  LVR is slower burning. I keyed off from this data to determine a starting load. If one wants to try LVR, start out using 41 gr and work up.
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

Just to refresh myself on why I've chosen to stick with .308 Win I went back and compared ballistics. This is a limited comparison. But it's real world for me. Factors I considered were:
  •  Distances that I'd shoot. I've chosen for ethical hunting to limit myself to 500 yards max. 
  • I'm limiting the powder to Varget and only comparing two bullets (the 168-grain Berger Classic Hunter in .308 and .284).
  • I dial corrections over 300 yards

One thing to bear in mind, at least with these two bullets is that the 7mm version is ~.1" longer, diminishing case capacity. As I've mentioned before, I load the .308 bullet to 45 grains. I'd be surprised to get more than 41 grains with the 7mm bullet and still load to 2.81 OAL. Accordingly, I've used 2750 fps MV for the .308 load and 2700 for the 7mm load. I set a crosswind of 10 mph. 

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My table only contains mil values because that's all I use. As you can see drops are basically the same. The 7mm-08 gains an advantage on windage as you go out. And, back to real world results, that translates into a 3.5" difference at 500 yards.

No doubt with load tweaking or at longer distances, in stiffer winds, etc. somebody could make the case that the 7mm-08 is superior. In my application it just wasn't enough to justify having multiple sets of dies and brass (and perhaps different powders). If I'd never owned a .308, yeah, I'd start out with the 7mm-08.
Shooting a 168 Bulldozer with a BC of .520 instead of the classic hunters .489 in the .308 may change that game a bit too.

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I really need to arrange getting a few from you to try. Checked out the Badlands FB page (https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1507843189520956&id=1424284557876820)
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About 3 weeks ago I loaded up a box of 308 Win bullets for patient of mine who was going Elk hunting and wanted to try the 150 Bulldozer. I sighted the rifle in for him to a 350 yd zero. He got 2 Elk each with a single shot and he said they dropped in their tracks. One was hit at 300 yds ant the other at 400 yds. The rifle was an old Rem 700 ADL with a 4X32 Tasco fixed power scope. At autopsy he said both bullets exited, there was minimal meat damage, but everything in between was "messed up".  These results mirror what Jason and I saw on our plains game hunt in June where we got 7 animals in 7 shots at ranges from 40-482 yds. He has made a 145 gr 7mm with a hollow point of the same design.
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