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JGRaider
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Any rifle produced by human hands can be vulnerable, obviously some are going to be worse than others. Here's what I can tell you though........4 years ago I bought my first semi-custom rifle, this one in particular was a Hill Country Harvester 7mm Rem Mag. What they do is take a Rem700 action, true it, square it, pillar and glass bed, ad go through about 15 barrels to find the one they like to mate with the action. I sent them Talley lightweights in which they mounted, lapped, and tested accuracy with an in house scope (Swaro something). When I received the rilfe I noticed the lapping and gave them a call. They told me that they had seen so many problems with mass produced actions they stared lapping every ring set they mount. Once again, it wasn't a ring mfg problem, but a rifle action/tapping etc problem. This is one big reason I've been mounting everything with Leupy dual dovetails and Burris Signature rings with inserts.....no lapping required. |
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JGRaider
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Excellent.....couldn't agree more. |
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Maverick2
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Ditto on the Burris Signature rings. I've use their Signature Zee rings on another rifle and liked them, so bought another set for a more recent rifle. It's built off a Mauser 98 action that had been drilled poorly, and I found that the holes were too far out of alignment (> 20 MOA) to correct with the thickest offset inserts. I jumped up to the Burris' XTR Signature Rings (which was a better fit height wise anyway) and problem was solved since it offers up to 40 MOA correction with the inserts provided. The Burris' XTR rings are a thing of beauty...
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jonoMT
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If ever there was an argument for buying a CNC-machined receiver or upper this is it. Top that with good rings (e.g Seekins) and be done.
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Reaction time is a factor...
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supertool73
Optics God Superstool Joined: January/03/2008 Status: Offline Points: 11814 |
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And that I believe is the exact problem. Good rings and bases are CNC machined, so unless something went really wrong they are not likely to be the problem. But from what I understand, many of the popular mass produced actions are finished by some dude with a hand tool, so error comes into play. |
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NDhunter
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I've got a Wheeler lapping kit with alignment bars, the DNZ checked out perfect. The worst one I have had experience with was a Ruger M77 with factory aluminum rings, off a lot and needed lapping, not a good situation, you could bend those rings in your fingers. |
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tpcollins
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If I were going to go out and buy a bunch of rifles and scopes, I'd probably get the Wheeler lapping kit. If I were going to mount one scope, and it was a Bushnell Banner, I'd just slap it in the rings. If I were mounting a $3000+ Schmidt and Bender, I'd be lapping the heck out of what ever rings I chose.
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Greenhorn#1
Optics Apprentice Joined: May/14/2016 Location: Delaware Status: Offline Points: 142 |
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Thank you gentleman . Just stepped back in town and on way home swung into Cabelas and grabbed wheeler scope mounting kit . So once I get my scope and get it mounted I will be sure and share pics and post results . Thoughts / how it performed on range . Thinking and really leaning torward sightron or just go nightforce and say Fux it !! Thank you
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cheaptrick
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Thanks for playin!
Let us know how you make out and do please come back and post pictures of your rifle when you get it up and running.
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Greenhorn#1
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Yes sir will do and thank you .
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cheaptrick
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Greenhorn#1
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will do and look forward to the day I can sow this up . I'm sitting right now (saving )in hopes I find this miracle deal out there Haha . Went to Cabelas and the nightforce just had the clearest picture and is supppsed to be tough . The vx6 was also beautiful . I will take one of each and you can have my first born haha ! It's like trying to pick a women at a swim suit shoot . I will take all those and see which I like thank you . So I will deff be back to pick your brains about the scopes I want
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cheaptrick
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How about giving our Gracious Host, (SWFA) a chance to earn your business, Friend?
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cheaptrick
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A Swaro Z3 3-9x or a VX-6 will be my next big game scope and I'm leaning Loopies way because of reticle selection options.
(I'll have to forfeit my Leupold Haters membership card, but hey.)
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Greenhorn#1
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I've thought about it . I'm sure the warranty is the same as others ? Also , is the support there if I have a question . I've heard great things , but I like the nightforce durability and while I wont be rolling around in the sand , well I may one day haha . Will they send me a loaner to sway me bahahaha . It's the fact I've never held one and at this point I'm so frustrated I want a product no matter the cost I can mount to this rifle for life . With all that I'm always open for suggestions . When I get around 1000 bucks together I will be ready . I'm looking to buy after I take my family on a vacation . So at end of month I may have more money . I'm already over half way there. So I plan on touching base with y'all before I buy . Would even consider used / pre owned lol . Thank you again
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Greenhorn#1
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Hilarious , I'm with you . I've always tried to be different and break away from the pack and when you talk with guys it's always luepold . I think they are awesome scopes . I hate the gold ring lol . I know aesthetics shouldn't matter but that gold ring lol . More of a subdued kind of guy . |
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everydaywine
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its necessary if it doesn't fit
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cheaptrick
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I jumped in to my suggestion before realizing that SWFA isn't a Nightforce dealer, per your choice, of course. They sell the HELL outta Leupolds though.
All y'all say y'all up in Delaware? ....
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supertool73
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Why?? You would just lap to lap? |
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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.
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cheaptrick
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That's all y'all are doing!
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