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Originally posted by NDhunter NDhunter wrote:

What rifles are known for those problems ?  Put some names out there, I

don't think that is an issue of any importance.




Any rifle produced by human hands can be vulnerable, obviously some are going to be worse than others.  Here's what I can tell you though........4 years ago I bought my first semi-custom rifle, this one in particular was a Hill Country Harvester 7mm Rem Mag.  What they do is take a Rem700 action, true it, square it, pillar and  glass bed, ad go through about 15 barrels to find the one they like to mate with the action.   I sent them Talley lightweights in which they mounted, lapped, and tested accuracy with an in house scope (Swaro something).   When I received the rilfe  I noticed the lapping and gave them a call.  They told me that they had seen so many problems with mass produced actions they stared lapping every ring set they mount. 

Once again, it wasn't a ring mfg problem, but a rifle action/tapping etc problem.  This is one big reason I've been mounting everything with Leupy dual dovetails and Burris Signature rings with inserts.....no lapping required.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:



I have kokopelli alignment bars and use them to check the squareness of every rifle/mount i put a scope in. If everything is out of square and u tighten a scope down in out of whack rings then all that pressure gets put into the scope tube. Cant be good for them and i dare bet alot of scope issues are the result of that. Thats probably often the case when a scope won't work for a person and they send it back and the manufacturer checks it and says it works fine. But when owner gets it back and remounts it the problems return.



Excellent.....couldn't agree more. 
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Originally posted by oldfortyfive oldfortyfive wrote:

Ruger rings on the M77's are often out of alignment .020". Lapping won't fix that. It's pretty hard to beat the Burris rings with the spherical inserts.

Ditto on the Burris Signature rings.  I've use their Signature Zee rings on another rifle and liked them, so bought another set for a more recent rifle.  It's built off a Mauser 98 action that had been drilled poorly, and I found that the holes were too far out of alignment (> 20 MOA) to correct with the thickest offset inserts.  I jumped up to the Burris' XTR Signature Rings (which was a better fit height wise anyway) and problem was solved since it offers up to 40 MOA correction with the inserts provided.  The Burris' XTR rings are a thing of beauty...  
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If ever there was an argument for buying a CNC-machined receiver or upper this is it. Top that with good rings (e.g Seekins) and be done.
Reaction time is a factor...
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Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

If ever there was an argument for buying a CNC-machined receiver or upper this is it. Top that with good rings (e.g Seekins) and be done.


And that I believe is the exact problem.  Good rings and bases are CNC machined, so unless something went really wrong they are not likely to be the problem. 

But from what I understand, many of the popular mass produced actions are finished by some dude with a hand tool, so error comes into play. 
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I've got a Wheeler lapping kit with alignment bars, the DNZ checked out

perfect.  The worst one I have had experience with was a Ruger M77 with factory

aluminum rings, off a lot and needed lapping, not a good situation, you could bend

those rings in your fingers.


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If I were going to go out and buy a bunch of rifles and scopes, I'd probably get the Wheeler lapping kit. If I were going to mount one scope, and it was a Bushnell Banner, I'd just slap it in the rings. If I were mounting a $3000+ Schmidt and Bender, I'd be lapping the heck out of what ever rings I chose.
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Thank you gentleman . Just stepped back in town and on way home swung into Cabelas and grabbed wheeler scope mounting kit . So once I get my scope and get it mounted I will be sure and share pics and post results . Thoughts / how it performed on range . Thinking and really leaning torward sightron or just go nightforce and say Fux it !! Thank you
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Thanks for playin! 

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Yes sir will do and thank you .
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will do and look forward to the day I can sow this up . I'm sitting right now (saving )in hopes I find this miracle deal out there Haha . Went to Cabelas and the nightforce just had the clearest picture and is supppsed to be tough . The vx6 was also beautiful . I will take one of each and you can have my first born haha ! It's like trying to pick a women at a swim suit shoot . I will take all those and see which I like thank you . So I will deff be back to pick your brains about the scopes I want   
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A Swaro Z3 3-9x or a VX-6 will be my next big game scope and I'm leaning Loopies way because of reticle selection options. 

(I'll have to forfeit my Leupold Haters membership card, but hey.) Wink  

 
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I've thought about it . I'm sure the warranty is the same as others ? Also , is the support there if I have a question . I've heard great things , but I like the nightforce durability and while I wont be rolling around in the sand , well I may one day haha . Will they send me a loaner to sway me bahahaha . It's the fact I've never held one and at this point I'm so frustrated I want a product no matter the cost I can mount to this rifle for life . With all that I'm always open for suggestions . When I get around 1000 bucks together I will be ready . I'm looking to buy after I take my family on a vacation . So at end of month I may have more money . I'm already over half way there. So I plan on touching base with y'all before I buy . Would even consider used / pre owned lol . Thank you again
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

A Swaro Z3 3-9x or a VX-6 will be my next big game scope and I'm leaning Loopies way because of reticle selection options. 

(I'll have to forfeit my Leupold Haters membership card, but hey.) Wink  

 

Hilarious , I'm with you . I've always tried to be different and break away from the pack and when you talk with guys it's always luepold . I think they are awesome scopes . I hate the gold ring lol . I know aesthetics shouldn't matter but that gold ring lol . More of a subdued kind of guy .
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its necessary if it doesn't fit
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I jumped in to my suggestion before realizing that SWFA isn't a Nightforce dealer, per your choice, of course. They sell the HELL outta Leupolds though.

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Originally posted by tpcollins tpcollins wrote:

If I were mounting a $3000+ Schmidt and Bender, I'd be lapping the heck out of what ever rings I chose.


Why??  You would just lap to lap?
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by tpcollins tpcollins wrote:

If I were mounting a $3000+ Schmidt and Bender, I'd be lapping the heck out of what ever rings I chose.


Why??  You would just lap to lap?

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