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I also disagree with all this (low mounting of the scope) . That may be fine with a prone heavy weight rifle that has minimal recoil. Or an anti personnel autoloader.
For big game hunting , being able to shoot fast and accurately from UN supported offhand position is most important.
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Here at the coast we have a few large black bears, topping around 500-600 on rare occasions.  Most are around the 300-400 range that we encounter.  I carry a 300WSM when bear hunting with accubond ammo.  At the same time most of the guys hunting that club for bear are using 270's or 30-06's and they seem to do the job fine as long as you put the shot in the best place.  Aim for a heart/lung shot and you should be fine.
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I've never been bear hunting, but I have been in bear country a lot.  Most of the bear hunters I've ever talked to agree with the statements regarding deer rifles.  I personally would want at least a 30-06, but would likely take my 9.3x62 with a 1.75-6x scope.  It will make a 200lb texas wild boar turn a flip in the air at 150yds.  My bullet choice would be a 232gr Norma Oryx (bonded).

Ever since my dad was attacked by a black bear in Colorado in 2006, he and I have carried .41 Rem. Mags. loaded with 250gr hard-cast LFN gas-checked bullets that I load for us (hot).  
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Originally posted by Cold Trigger Finger Cold Trigger Finger wrote:

I also disagree with all this (low mounting of the scope) . That may be fine with a prone heavy weight rifle that has minimal recoil. Or an anti personnel autoloader.
For big game hunting , being able to shoot fast and accurately from UN supported offhand position is most important.


Just curious, why do you feel low would make you slower? 

I feel the opposite of you.  My reasoning is a low scope on a sporter type stock allows a better cheek weld, which leads to more consistency which leads to faster speed. 

All the rifle classes I have taken, hunting or tactical put big emphasis on consistency of cheek weld.  With a high mounted scope that is harder to achieve. 
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I think my 9.3x62 would still be my choice for browns, but for black bear I'd also consider this set up: my .338 Federal in a Browning BLR.  It has a Nikon 2-7x32 Monarch UCC on it.  I think it might be the perfect black bear rifle:





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All the talk of having a pistol back-up, is kind of entertaining... A 308 out to 600 yards is going to have more energy and penetration than a 44 magnum, and it should already be in your hands! Black bears are routinely killed with bows, hell there are even idiots that go after grizzly's with a stick and a string. If you hit an animal in the heart or lungs with anything it will die.  
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Hunting one with a bow would be fun.  I'm sure any of the 30 cal rifles or larger would be plenty.  If I was going hunting today I would  take my tikka 300 WSM cause thats the only caliber I have in a tikka and its light and easy to carry and plenty accurate.  It has a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14 on it so probably higher on the low end than ideal but useable.  Now if someone wanted to buy me a rifle and a scope I did see a .375 H&H I wouldn't mind having and stumbled across this lovely piece of glass just now:
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

All the talk of having a pistol back-up, is kind of entertaining... A 308 out to 600 yards is going to have more energy and penetration than a 44 magnum, and it should already be in your hands! Black bears are routinely killed with bows, hell there are even idiots that go after grizzly's with a stick and a string. If you hit an animal in the heart or lungs with anything it will die.  

What I meant was that I carry the backup when I'm bowhunting.  That's what Dad was doing when he was attacked.  Can't really explain away a .308 on your back when you just have a bow tag for an elk or mulie.  THAT's why I carry a .41 Mag backup while bowhunting - because it's all you CAN carry, and even then most states require you to be licensed to carry concealed to do it.
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:


All the talk of having a pistol back-up, is kind of entertaining... A 308 out to 600 yards is going to have more energy and penetration than a 44 magnum, and it should already be in your hands! Black bears are routinely killed with bows, hell there are even idiots that go after grizzly's with a stick and a string. If you hit an animal in the heart or lungs with anything it will die.  


<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">What I meant was that I carry the backup when I'm bowhunting.  That's what Dad was doing when he was attacked.  Can't really explain away a .308 on your back when you just have a bow tag for an elk or mulie.  THAT's why I carry a .41 Mag backup while bowhunting - because it's all you CAN carry, and even then most states require you to be licensed to carry concealed to do it.</span>


Deck, when bow hunting in NY no handguns are allowed. Doesn't matter what you are hunting.
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Not surprised.  In TX, you have to be licensed to carry concealed to have one.
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Utah as well
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Same in NY, I've had a CC for over 50 years.

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There are a lot of black bear in our deer hunting area of Ontario.  Most average between 300-400 lbs, and big guys may weigh 500+ but they are definitely the exception.  Virtually all are taken with deer caliber rifles (mainly 30 cal, 30-30, 300 Savage, 308, 30.06 etc).  No pistols are permitted for hunting.  The last bear I shot was with my 44mag Ruger carbine with peep sights using 300 grain Hornadys. A typical boar at about 350 lbs.  Never felt under gunned, just behind the shoulder at about 30 yds.  You don't need a cannon for black bear or a huge scope.  Do your part, practice a lot before taking to the field using a rifle with adequate power (lots of choice and advice here) that you can easily master and learn the habits of the bruins in the area you plan to hunt. 
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Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:


There are a lot of black bear in our deer hunting area of Ontario.  Most average between 300-400 lbs, and big guys may weigh 500+ but they are definitely the exception.  Virtually all are taken with deer caliber rifles (mainly 30 cal, 30-30, 300 Savage, 308, 30.06 etc).  No pistols are permitted for hunting.  The last bear I shot was with my 44mag Ruger carbine with peep sights using 300 grain Hornadys. A typical boar at about 350 lbs.  Never felt under gunned, just behind the shoulder at about 30 yds.  You don't need a cannon for black bear or a huge scope.  Do your part, practice a lot before taking to the field using a rifle with adequate power (lots of choice and advice here) that you can easily master and learn the habits of the bruins in the area you plan to hunt. 


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A hunting buddy that runs slower then you can is also effective against bear attacks.
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