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Kickboxer
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I've not had hands on a Nightforce in a while... always wanted one, always impressed with the ones I've used. Definitely in the mix... good suggestion. |
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Lockjaw
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I like it because you can do so much with it. I have 4. Next one will be an AR10 or something.
I built an SBR with an 11.5 in barrel, and I love how much more compact it is. I love the 30 round mag, I love its light and doesn't kick. By the time you have a pistol stuck out arm's length, you are further out than an AR with a SB. And you got 30 rounds of ammo. The 3 I built are all Anderson lowers. Nothing special, but my SBR is my favorite and most decked out. I have a SW MP15 MOE I like too. 2 of the 3 have ALG triggers with lighter springs, again, nothing special. But better than the one I built that is just mil spec with iron sights, although I shoot that one pretty decent considering I can't see. I wouldn't be afraid to use mine on a deer, as long as it wasn't to far away, and I was using a good bullet. I have some 60 grain nosler partitions I loaded for that. One other plus for me is my up close eye sight isn't that great, so a red dot beats iron sites on a pistol too. |
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supertool73
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Sierra has 65 grain game kings that are a great option as well. My cousin shot a 3 point (that's 3 on each side for you easterners ) mule deer with one of those. I shot in the boiler room and down he went. |
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supertool73
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I love my 11.5 inch 223 as well. Super handy carbine. But I don't love the sound, but with my 6.5 TB Ultra 7 it is not to bad. |
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sucker76
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I had my fun with AR15's and am moving on to AR10's. Yup I hate AR's.
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BeltFed
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I think we might need to bust this topic into 2 parts.
First, is the AR platform itself. The platform designed by Eugene Stoner of a direct gas impingement, rotating bolt and bolt carrier, built from aluminum, steel, and plastic in 2 frame sizes. I think there are things both plus and minus that can be said about the platform. Second is the cartridges that the ARs come in. Lots to be said there too. |
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Lockjaw
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I cannot tell the difference when I am outside at the range at hunting club with muffs on. I shot mine along side just a cheapie Mil Spec one I built with a Bear Creek Upper. It's a 223 Wylde. To me they sounded the same. I need to put an ALG trigger in that Mil Spec gun too. It was my "OMG Hillary might win Florida" purchase. That and a 10 pack of Pmags. My SW MP15 MOE with that funky brake it has is not bad at all. It is supposed to direct sound away from the shooter. I have shot it a few times without hearing protection, and didn't notice hardly. |
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Lockjaw
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I personally like the 5.56.
For what you get, light gun, modular, large ammo capacity, and plenty of range. With an SBR you have more energy then nearly all defensive pistols. More ammo capacity, and greater accuracy. Yes not concealable, but..... that is only downside to me. You want to make it interesting? Get a box of 50 45acp rounds in 230 grain ball. And 50 223/5.56 rounds in 55gr ball. Which weighs more? For me one of the big benefits of an AR is dealing with a large group of people. Thanks to movies and everything else like that, people know what one can do. Or if in a situation like in Boston when they had the bombings, and the police want everyone inside. I'd rather have my AR than a pistol any day.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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The only place this makes sense to me is in a combat zone at a distance the enemy might not be able to tell the difference as I'm sure any sniper quality rifles would be targeted first. In that use having all the rifles look similar from a distance is an advantage. |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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I heard talk that ARMY would like a new rifle with better long range ability. I would think that one could neck up the 5.56mm to .243 and run 95 to 100 gr bullets off the same basic case with just a barrel and a buffer change and get significantly improved results without a lot of added weight or cost. Any thoughts on that?
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BeltFed
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Just to I happen to think the ergonomics of the AR are about as good as you can get, so why not use it on a precision rifle. |
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They have the 6x45 which is just that. 95 and 100 do take up a lot of case capacity though, 85 might be better. |
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How fast can you get the 85's up to? I have liked the idea on paper but have no real world experiences with the 6x45.
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Kickboxer
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A place to look... http://www.reloadersnest.com/unverified_detail.asp?CaliberID=300&ID=3867 |
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urbaneruralite
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I like ARs. I do not like them as much as lever guns but I like them for plinking. Applying the AR to things I actually use a rifle for, like distance shooting, big and small game hunting, etc. makes them not as likeable as others forms.
On the second topic, I picked up one of those Wolf/Alexander Arms 6.5 Grendel uppers for $360. It has not balked in the first few hundred rounds. Accuracy with irons is not worse than the usual cheap plinking brass case 5.56. I seem to run it between short range targets as quick as a 5.56, but I should admit I'm not any kind of high speed or low drag. My 5.56 AR will probably only be used now with match ammo on medium distance steel unless something weird goes down. The Grendel is the thing as far as I am concerned. That cheap steel case is surprisingly clean and the bullets tumbled quick on water jugs. I am gathering parts for an extra-light 20" version for medium game for the smaller people around the house. The Wolf lives under the back seat of my pickup. Ah! There's a downside to the Grendel. Capacity in good mags is lower than 5.56. Although, I have to admit if I need more than two 20 round sticks I am likely in more poop than one person can scoop. So there's my contributing ramble. AR good. Not as fun as lever. Not as practical as bolt. Grendel good. Cheap AR handy thing. 60 round mags overrated for regular folks.
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Kickboxer
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I love the Grendel. Also have a .458 SOCOM that is pretty awesome. They justify the AR's existence in my book...
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urbaneruralite
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This might be another reason to not hate the AR http://www.mgpcustoms.com/358_MGP.html Say if you wanted a thumper that could be slowed down for short range steel, etc. (activated hyperlink)
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Kickboxer
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One of the reasons I hate them, now... the ultimate customizable firearm...
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BeltFed
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Barbie dolls for men |
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gdpolk
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I genuinely don't like them. I've owned some. I've shot tons. They check all the boxes: good ergonomics, reliable, dependable, accurate, easy to maintain, cheap to feed, low recoil, adequate power, versatile design, easy to work on and modify, blah, blah, blah. I'll openly admit that I consider them to be one of the best firearm designs ever created from an engineering standpoint; they are truly remarkable guns. All that said, I never could find one that made me WANT to pick it up and shoot it or hunt with it, or dump money into it, or even keep it. I just never really connected to them I guess. I'd rather have a good bolt gun or lever gun or revolver or 1911 or something else.
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