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Skylar McMahon
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Came across something extremely cool today.
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RifleDude
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Dammit...they had me VERY interested until they said "new mount." Granted, they said F-mount lenses could be used "with an adapter." The use of adapters usually means some functionality or capability is lost, though. I don't understand why they wouldn't design it to allow current Nikon customers to use their existing F lenses. That doesn't seem like the smartest move to me, but maybe there are valid tech/design reasons to get away from the F-mount. Nevertheless, I look forward to seeing what they came up with. They're really going to have to bring their "A" game to go head to head with Sony in the FF mirrorless category.
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Skylar McMahon
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I noticed that too. Mirrorless is the wave of the future like you said a while back. I'm anxious to see how this thing looks. I have no doubt the images it supplies will be nothing short of amazing.
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koshkin
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There are valid tech reasons. Also, there is no reason to have loss of functionality with adapters if the company making the adaptor also makes the camera and the lens. If they made a mirrorless camera with the original F-mount, it would be virtually guaranteed to die a slow painful death over the next few years. ILya
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koshkin
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Why no doubt? We know virtually nothing about this camera so far. ILya
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RifleDude
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I believe you, but it would seem logical to me that, mirrorless or not, a FF sensor size should be able to support the F-mount. I realize that change is always inevitable and everything eventually evolves over time, but why would the F-mount pose design limitations on a new class of lenses for a mirrorless camera when dealing with a FF size sensor? Isn't a mount nothing more than a bayonet design, a prescribed diameter hole in the body compatible with the sensor area, and a set of electrical contacts to drive focusing and aperture control? If all it takes is an adapter to use F lenses on their new mount, and assuming no functionality is lost as a penalty by doing so, then why not just use the same connection for the new lenses? Given that the mount design is an exterior feature that's part of the lens shell and is a connection and electrical contact interface, I don't understand how that would in some way limit the design possibilities of the optical system inside the lens, unless part of the concern is reducing lens outside diameter...but then we're still dealing with a FF size sensor. The thing that concerns me and makes me think maybe some functionality might be lost with the adapter is the statement in their press release that "some" F-mount lenses could be used with the adapter. Of course, all I can do is speculate until I see what they unveil. It would be nice to have a body with similar or better capability, resolution, and pro build quality as the D850 that's also thinner and lighter.
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Ted
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koshkin
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The problem is flange distance. There is a huge advantage in having a shorter flange distance for wide angle lenses. Flange distance is why with traditional DSLRs wide angle lenses are so large. The adapter will likely not support older lenses that relied on the motor in the body to adjust aperture. Some Nikon bodies already do not support those lenses. ILya
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Skylar McMahon
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More....
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Skylar McMahon
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They are also offering a Z mount to F mount adapter. Like Ilya said, I don't think that the image quality will be as affected as one would think. I'm trying to think of what I can sell now???
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Skylar McMahon
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Wait....only one card slot? Why, Nikon, why....SD writing failures happen often. In my 810, I use the secondary CF to write a duplicate of what I shoot just in case something happens to the SD.
I'm sure that will change with later generations. |
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koshkin
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I would give it a year or so before jumping in on the Z mount camera. They do look very promising, although a couple of things look like somewhat odd decisions to me. I'll have to get my hands on one of these to see how the ergonomics work for me. ILya
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koshkin
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Single card slot is an odd decision. ISO range for Z6 is another one. Pricing for Z7 is a little questionable.
I am sorta in the market for a new high res camera, so I am somewhat interested, but I will wait for GFX 50R to be released before I make any decisions. ILya
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Skylar McMahon
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GFX 50R...aren't those medium format?
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koshkin
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Correct. I am not invested into any mount to any significant extent at this point, so I can do whatever rocks my boat. All I need is a high resolution body with 28mm equivvalent and 50mm equivalent primes. I want the body and the lenses weathersealed. Everything else is nice, but not critical. One of my problems with Nikon is weather sealing (or lack thereof) in many prime lenses and what appears to be very subpar weather sealing in most bodies. ILya
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It's not the image quality that I was concerned would be affected. What I was referring to is the fact that when using some adapters, you often lose things like aperture control through the body, autofocusing, and image stabilization. So your fully functional electronically controlled lens then becomes a manual focus only lens without IS/VR and sometimes without the ability to control aperture through the body. I have no idea whether or not this would be the case with adapters on the new mount, but this is often the penalty you pay when using an adapter to use a non-native lens.
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Ted
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Skylar McMahon
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During B&H live stream panel discussion, I asked the question. Unfortunately it went unaddressed. Although it is still out there. So hopefully someone knowledgeable on the subject will chime in.
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koshkin
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What is the question?
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Skylar McMahon
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Aperture control loss with the adapter installed for use with F mounted lenses, auto-focusing, ect...Those were some of Ted's concerns.
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koshkin
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All of that will work just fine.
ILya |
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Skylar McMahon
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Ilya, what about a Hasselblad?
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