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tahqua
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Posted: July/06/2021 at 14:46 |
This thread is almost 3 years old and being the original post was for a hunting revolver for out to 125 yards, I see no place for a red dot vs a scope with cross hairs and possibly an illuminated small dot in the center.
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Scrumbag
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Still like my Burris Fastfire but for me the Leica is a cut above. Scrummy
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Was sure I had a point when I started this post...
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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At this point I suspect most optics on handguns are red dots. some examples are:
https://www.swfa.com/leupold-deltapoint-pro-reflex-sight-9.html?___SID=U Lepuolld Delta Point https://www.swfa.com/holosun-he-507c-x2-1x-multi-reticle-green-black-hardcoat-anodized.html?___SID=U Holosun https://www.swfa.com/sig-sauer-1x20-romeo5-tread-red-dot-sight.html?___SID=U Sig Romeo 5 should come with both the high and low mount the high mount for an AR15 the low mount would work fine for picatinny rail on other firearms at $139.95 what's not to like.
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tahqua
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I have the Leupold 2X on my Redhawk and find it works real well. I have tried putting my Aimpoint on it, but I like the Leupold better. It is brighter in low light and I prefer the center of the cross hair over the larger 2moa dot.
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gdpolk
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I got the Burris and a dot. I don’t know yet if I will keep one or both of them. I’m still kind of new to the whole revolver hunting avenue in general and at the majority of the locations that I intend to be I’m quite proficient with simple open sights.
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noticing this post is really old i was wondering which you choose and do you still enjoy that decision or have you changed it since then ?
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I have a few fastfires a d like them. I ha e a few RMRs and it's a mixed bag - the triangle tritium reticles are very dim.
I really like the shield RMS, they are always on and easily cowitness standard sights, and battery life has been good for me. I am staying away from Trijicon products, sometimes they stand behind their products, sometimes not. Gamble if you like. |
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• Picatinny-Style Sight Rail https://swfa.com/warne-maxima-quick-detach-1-rings-86.html Warne Maxima Quick Detach 1" RingsMatte, Medium Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - November/05/2018 at 17:09 |
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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I do also run an Aimpoint 9000L One other thought Crimson Trace makes laser grips for N Frame in total darkness nothing beats a laser.
Edited by Urimaginaryfrnd - July/05/2021 at 11:20 |
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What reflex sights did you look through? There is much to be said for both-eyes-open reflex sighting, and on a handgun they do enhance precision, if you train with them. A good red dot reflex would be my choice, having used several - and having never used a scoped pistol.
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That’s the one I’m going to go with. A Burris fixed 2x. |
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I was impressed with the build on Burris's Fastfire reflex sight. Would you consider a Burris 2x20mm handgun scope? From my handgun shooting days, a 50yd shot with a revolver is quite a ways.
I find illumination helpful but that's just my 2c. Scrummy
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koshkin
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Noone really makes a truly high end handgun scope and with what is out there, I think less is more. Leupold and Burris are your best bet. Honestly, I would stick with a fixed power 2x or 2.5x model from one of these.
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This is one of 8 pistol scopes that I held today and is currently what I'm planning on getting unless I can find a higher quality fixed 2x. To my eyes the optical quality of the Leupolds seemed to be the best (highest resolution, contrast, and brightness) but they also had a significantly reduced field of view compared to all of the other pistol scopes (at similar optical powers) at all pricepoints and the eye relief of the Leupold handgun scopes were extremely critical. To me these were deal breakers and of all the other pistol scopes that I saw the Burris was the best of what was left. I was quite unpleasantly surprised by Leupold's offerings in particular. Typically Leupold does a pretty good job of turning out decent hunting scopes in the $300-600 price range and at sizes and weights just a bit smaller than most comparable products. However, their pistol scopes were really kind of unsatisfactory to me with the tiny field of view and really critical eye relief. Burris's 3-12 is ridiculous for my needs. I like the idea of their 2-7 offering me a wider range of magnification but it is also 2" longer and 6oz heavier. When I rifle hunt I am using a Leupold VX3 1.75-6x in the areas where I will be taking the .44 revolver and to be honest I never turn it up above the bottom setting for animals under 60 yards. When I do turn it up, it never goes above 3-4x unless I'm sighting in at the range. So, to my mind I figure in a pistol I'd really probably never use anything other than 2-3x unless at the range anyway so there isn't a strong motivator for me to pay more to haul around more bulk and more weight that won't be used on a hunting rig anyway. Sure the 7x would be handy at the range but there I can slow down and make perfect shots at perfect distances with perfect lighting, and perfect control; I don't need an ideal magnification to get the gun sighted in under these conditions. I am still curious about some potentially higher end brands offering a low power, such as 1.5-2x, fixed magnification scope for me too but I'm not finding anything of any higher build quality than the Leupold VX3. I'll keep poking around online for a while but as of now that fixed 2x Burris looks like the winner for my .44.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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The search for high quality QD rings is elusive. I have not been happy with the ones from Leupold they simply wore out on a musket withing three years hard use. I have had good results with LT 719 from La Rue but they are only 30mm not 1 inch they may have an adapter though. I have been reasonably satisfied with Talley QD rings my overall experience with Talley has been very good and that is probably the path I would explore because I'm sure they make a 1 inch ring and most pistol scopes are 1 inch tube. I am still thinking fixed 2X is your best choice. Note this is probably the only Burris product I recommend I absolutely hate their 3-12 pistol scope.
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I went to several stores today and for my uses the dots and reflexes are out of the race. None of them looked clear and bright to my eyes other than an EO Tech which was obnoxiously bulky. I'm going to go with a dedicated telescopic sight for hunting in some quality QD rings. When I have the pistol as a backup for bowhunting, I'll just pop the scope off of the rail. This should offer me good enough accuracy for dedicated handgun hunting and low/no bulk on the gun for backup. After I play with this a while I may choose to add another second .44mag to use as a backup when bowhunting to keep as an open sights gun and leave the scope permenantly mounted as a dedicated handgun primary hunting rig. Thanks for all your help.
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gdpolk
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Agreed on the battery life issue. My two concerns with a dot are light transmission of the target and dot brightness. I do not want to give up part of that magic time at dusk/dawn from the sight going too dark on me if there is another sight that can allow me to hunt through that time. Nearly 1/3 of the deer that I’ve shot have been during the first/last 30 minutes of the day so statistically speaking that time of day is a very important time and I don’t want a product that blocks out part of these times. My other concern is that the dot itself may be too bright or dull as lighting changes in dusk/dawn. Because of this concern, I’m thinking that if I go with a dot/reflex something like the RMR dual illuminated might be very functional for the woods IF the lenses are bright enough to see through in very low light. The fiber optics would allow the dot to brighten/darken in response to ambient light all the time and for walking in during night in bear country it has tritium for backup when there is no light. This kind of makes sense to me. But, I don’t know if the lenses will be bright enough to harness those first/last few minutes. All of the videos I see show that the lenses are clearly tinted and they appear darker but they may not be that much darker in real life as compared to what I’m seeing on camera. |
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With some red dots battery life is years so i don’t see how thats an issue. Just leave it on all the time and replace the battery once every year or two. Plus we are taking about a hunting pistol not a defensive weapon.
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A 1x pistol scope sounds awesome. It's a close range endeavor anyway but that would let you utilize the last light and superimpose an aim point onto your target so you could see minor movements just before the shot broke as opposed to focusing on a front sight and possibly missing those minor movements in poor lighting conditions. I may try to source one of those.
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