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Urimaginaryfrnd
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consider exit eye pupil size objective divided by the power setting = exit eye pupil size in mm.
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mike650
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I bet... and that’s the power range I would consider (with illumination) if I bought one.
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cbm
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They are a little heavy. But the 3-12x42 is 19 oz so not too bad, to me. And they are really good in low light for a 42mm.
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mike650
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S&B is very pricey and considered on the heavy side to me but I spot and stalk hunt.
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CrazyEddie
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Thanks cbm. I looked through the S&B site and then did some price checks and I *think* that the comparable models are all materially more expensive, even on the SL - but I may have missed something (the naming conventions for the models is not straight forward - to me at least).
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cbm
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After all of my experimenting , I personally feel like Schmidt and Bender makes the best scopes. The glass is as good as it gets. But the overall quality , smoothness of the power ring, positive click adjustments, etc, is the best IMO! I still have some Swarovski’s that I like a lot, but I think SB is the best. Their low light performance is awesome and the illuminated are super nice.
I just got a great deal on a 3-12x42 mil dot and put it on my Kimber 280 Ackley. I used to have a Cooper Excalibur 30-06, they are definitely shooters!! I hit some steel plates at 800 yrds with it. That’s the farthest I have ever shot. |
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CrazyEddie
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Thanks for the additional feedback on the Leupold option. Urimaginaryfrnd - the x5i does look good, but if I look at another $1k to the range, I've probably got to consider some other options. Although it seems to me that I'm a masochist on this effort, at some point I will need/want to pull the trigger.
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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From that list the Nightforce would be my pick but I tend more toward tactical scopes. But this doesnt look bad: Swarovski 3.5-18x50 X5i 30mm RiflescopeMatte, Illuminated 4WX, 1/4 MOA, Side Focus 708026791123
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Only 1 left Regularly $2,799.00 $2,399.95 |
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Kickboxer
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I still have reservations with Leupold scopes, though I do believe they have made progress in recent years... depending less on older technology and design methodologies. I still don't "depend" on a Leupold, but do own a couple. I have a "hog scope" mounted right now, have spent a little time shooting with 4, 5, and 6 models. They seem OK, but I'm still not completely convinced.
I'm in RC's corner on Leupolds.
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Rancid Coolaid
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No offense was taken, but I wanted to be sure my comments were not taken within a context of "he has no idea what he is talking about", as I do, just not as much experience as many here. My lack of experience in that regard is a choice, and is based on an abundance of bad experience back in the day. I don't buy Jaguars because they used to be very unreliable, maybe they are rock solid now; but it is an old concept that betraying one's confidence leads to a lack of confidence. Fool me once...
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mike650
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Leupold's come a long ways since the days of the overpriced Var-x III's, etc. I'm impressed with the VX5 and 6 lines.
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supertool73
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I should not have use the wordage Rancid has no experience. As I have no idea what he has seen his buddies use and that he had played with some. I should have stated he does not use/own them himself so he will not have the usage experience as some of us that own/use them often. My bad Rancid, I typed that in a hurry on my phone, and I really meant no offense on that. Overall I agree the Swaro is a better scope mostly, especially if low light is critical. But the VX5 and 6 are dandy's for the money. Especially the VX5 IMO. I still own a Z3 and i like it a lot.
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Rancid Coolaid
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So, some stuff that might help and might be completely superfluous: 1. ST is partially right, my feelings for Leupold are well established and have been discussed here and elsewhere. 2. Though I do not often use their riflescopes, several fellow hunters do. In the hunting season that just ended, there were 2 failures, both were Leupold. Having broken Leupolds in the past, I am probably more aware of their failures in my area, as the guys I hunt with know I am not a Loopy fan and offer anecdotes when they can. 2B. One failure was of the older scalloped-bottom hunter, not sure what model, and it stopped holding zero, as in range shots from a stable base were everywhere, with no turning of dials. The other is one of the newest, on a beautiful custom 300WM, the elevation turret sheered off under far less force than I would have expected. 3. I do not purchase Leupold, but I am sometimes forced to use them. My experiences with Leupold that were crash-n-burn are indeed mostly ancient history, but I have seen failures with their scopes. And I am sure I am sensitive to that reinforcing information. That said, the guys that hunt Leupold scopes have been using them for years, this was just a weird year, and timely to this conversation. So, all that considered, you should indeed take my Leupold input in the context of someone who like Ford and dislikes Chevy but drives a Toyota.
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supertool73
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Rancid makes his displeasure for Leupold very well known. (which
is fine, as we all have our like adn dislikes) But he has not used them
in years so he has no experience with their current offerings. So no
disrespect intended Rancid. But take his dislike of them with a grain
of salt as it is not current with the scopes they have now. I have
hundreds and hundreds of rounds down range with my 5 and 6 and they are
great scope. Some ways I like them better than a Swaro others not as much.
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CrazyEddie
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Thank you cbm, Rancid and supercool for these additional insights. I had looked at the Z6, but it seemed the comparable scopes were more than another $1k above the highest in the group (although I did see there are 3 Z6’s and 1 Z6i on the SL - thanks!). Otherwise, I think that the Z5 is the only one in the group that isn’t illuminated, and several of the other posts were strongly in favor of illumination at this price point. Rancid, I’m very interested in your Leupold failures - send me a PM if you are more comfortable sharing the details offline.< ="text/">
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supertool73
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I own the Leupold VX5 and VX6. They are both excellent scopes and the fire dot illumination system is superb. Optically they are very good, but not quite as good as a Swaro z6. But they are more than sufficient to get you well past legal shooting times. The ZL dials are awesome IMO. I am a huge fan of these scopes and for the money they offer a lot of scope. I sold my Z6 after I got the VX6. Optically it was a bit better, but the ZL dials gave it so much more IMO.
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Rancid Coolaid
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I don't do much with Leupold products, but I would find it difficult to believe their glass is anywhere near as good as Swaro Z5 or higher. I have had great success with Swaro. I have had great failure with Leupold.
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cbm
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Click on the SL on the top right of this forum page. The other day they had a Z5 3-18X44 for $999 and several Z6 1.7-10x42. If I remember right , there was a plex for $1299 or $1399 and a BRH for $1400 or so. They may have some of your other choices on there too. In the past, I have found their ratings to be better than expected.........so an A is basically new, a B is practically new, a C is about normal use.....at least that has been my experience. I was always pleasantly suprised at how good some of the B condition scopes were.
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CrazyEddie
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I received a price alert ($860) on the Leupold VX-5HD, and it was such a good deal, it made me wonder why no one recommended it. I think I made a mistake. I now see that the comparable (at least price-wise) model is the VX-6HD, so I've relisted the 4 scopes below, this time with the prices I've seen, in case there is additional input (and while I await the report on the Meostar).
Thanks! Ed
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cbm
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They have some good deals on Swarovski's right now on the samplelist. I personally would lean toward the Z6 1.7-10X42 plex over the Z5 3-18x44 plex(or BRH). Swarovski really is all over the place on reticle thickness, with the Z5 having some of the thinnest. You can go on their website and look up every model with every reticle thickness. It changes a lot from model to model and even from different size scopes in the same model line(Z3, Z5, Z6,etc.).
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