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Trinidad
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They are advertising it as the worlds first 30MM scope with a 6x erector.
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tahqua
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Now that marketing would even make the ad people at Leupold notice.
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RifleDude
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Ah, o.k., so it's one of those things where you just have to read the fine print.
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Ted
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Trinidad
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Sneaky......
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www.technika.nu
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The differance betwen this 6X zoom and all others i have seen including all 4X zooms is that the others have a considerable tunneleffect at the low magnifications. THe Z6 does not have any tunneleffect whatsoever and the result of this is a tremendous field of view.
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RifleDude
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I agree with that, Technika. With the brief look I got through the Z6, I was favorably impressed with it from a FOV and overall optical first impression perspective.
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Ted
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mwyates
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The Z6 seems to be priced less than the Swaro PH. How's that?
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Trinidad
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Well its the same glass and they did away with that cheezy shock absorbing eyepiece,I have seeen PH scopes priced much less than the current Z6 models though.
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tbone1
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Technika, older European scopes had considerable tunnel vision but the Swaros and Zeiss that I own have very little. Zeiss pretty much eliminated tunnel vision when they introduced the VM/V line in the late 90's.
I am not the biggest Swaro fan because I own 2 of them and I personally think that Zeiss and S&B are slightly better. Having said that, I applaud them for making a very interesting innovation. I would have preferred better glass instead but I like the idea of a 6x erector. I just don't think that I would pay alot more for it when I could possibly get a little better optics with Zeiss or S&B. I think the best option would be a 3-18x50. If it were in a fairly light weight package, it could be the ultimate hunting scope for short or long range. |
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tbone1
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One more note that I forgot to mention. The biggest drawback to this scope is that they are putting the reticle in the second image plane. I know that Americans prefer it that way but this is very much a drawback to me. I am going to post a new topic on this subject.
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Trinidad
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Great post Tbone1 I fully agree exept for the 18x, my max power preferance in this level of scope quality is 12x max on a hunting scope.
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Narrow Gap
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I prefer the first focal plane reticle also, but Swarovski is going to naturally cater to the American Shooter and Hunter becasue that is where the money is.
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lucznik
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Sorry, I just discovered this thread but,
We'd love to but, we keep getting dragged into cleaning up the messes that you Europeans create. There's been a lot of "doorstep cleaning" using American blood over in your neck of the woods. We however, don't seem to be getting a whole lot of appreciation for saving your freedoms for you... AGAIN!
And you are just the man to give us all the "strong irrelevant opinions" we can stand!
As far as the new Swarovski scopes are concerned, an old adage comes rushing to mind...
"A fool and his money are soon parted."
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What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?
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www.technika.nu
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T boone
Zeiss VM/V does have tunnelefffect. They are really not the best scopes to be used on the lowest magnification as there is not more FOV on 3X than on 4X on a 3-12X for example. But all the tunneleffect is gone on the Z6, there is none whatso ever.
I though however agree that the VM/V series have much less tunneleffect than previous models and other manufacturors, but there is still.
I do as well prefer 1st plane image reticles, but it's probably not the best idea to have a 1st plane 6X zoom as the reticle will be very small on the lowest magnification and very very thick on the bigest.
When it comes to new models and magnifications ranges, those four meantioned are the first four. There will surely be more models to come. Personally I see much more use for the 1,7-10 than with any other magnification range, but that said is due to the hunting I do, I do very well belive that a 3-18 is best for your hunting. But I belives that Swarovski made the first four models that they belive there is the bigest interest for.
Luznic. That is an old flame war that is closed. I am not going to respond on that at all, and if you really want do discuss it do it on a PM.
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rootmanslim
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lucnick- dont get into it with technika, Chris will kill the thread. FYI for all: big story in the Key West paper that the guy who started the .nu ISP (in an obscure pacific island)did so that he could sell domains to porno sites. He's made lots of $ and .nu is very popular in Sweden because nu means new.(rather than what you might conclude)
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tbone1
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Technicka, I have a Swaro PH 2.5-10x42, a 1.5-6x42, a S&B 3-12x42, and a Zeiss VM/V 3-12x56. I pulled them all out to look at the tunnel vision. Both Swaros had the most tunnel vision althought it wasn't much. The S&B had a little from 3-4. The Zeiss had virtually none. I cut it as far down as I could with pressure to 3 and all tunnel vision was gone by 3.2x
Tunnel vision had bothered me in the past with the older Swarovski Novas and Zeiss ZM/Z. All of the scopes that I have mentioned do not have any significant amount of tunnell vision that would even be an issue to me.
I don't get how you can say that the Zeiss VM/V is not the best scope to use on low settings because of tunnel vision. The VM/V has exceptional field of view and virtually no tunnell vision and was the best in this category of any of the scopes that I named. A 1.7-10 Z6 will obviously have more field of view than a 2.5-10 Zeiss. But at the same time a 1.5-6 Zeiss will have more field of view than a 2-12 Z6. The lower the magnification, the more field of view.
The Z6 may indeed have even less (tunnel vision) but to me it is a solution to a nonexistent problem. I am going to Reno to the SCI show on Thursday so I will get to see them for myself. The may indeed be fantastic. I think that it is great that they were able to create a scope with a 6x erector and still maintain low tunnel vision, good FOV, and eye relief as you say. I just don't agree with your comments about the the VM/V. |
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www.technika.nu
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I like Zeiss a lot, as you can see on my webpage. The Zeiss 6-24 both 56 and 72 are the sharpest scopes i ever have looked through. The VM/V is truly a great scope and my normal choise for all low light hunting is Zeiss, both when it comes to scopes and binoculars.
But as well as it's clear that Zeiss have leed teh optics development during many years it's also clear that Swarovski Z6 is a true winner and I am pretty sure that they will cost a lot of sales for Zeiss and SuB for the next 1-3 years before the others have redevoloped their scopes.
You are right that the tunneleffect in VM/v is lot less than ZM/Z but it's still precent. In Swarro Z6 you can't see any tunneleffect at all.
I am fairly confident that Zeiss will be better in low light than Swarovski, but havent made enogh comparision to be really sure.
1,7-10 does actually have more FOV than Zeiss 1,5-6X and that is a probably due to the tunneleffect. Same thing on Z6 1-6X compared to Zeiss 1-4. Z6 have 42,5 meters and Zeiss have 36 meters, again is probably the whole explanation the cure of the tunneleffect.
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UPSguy
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Does anyone know if the illuminated dot on the 1-6 version of this is Aimpoint bright, or at least as bright as the S&B Short dot? If it is I will buy one for sure.
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DevL
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On the 1-6x24 is the dot projected whith a simple thin crosshair beneath it (like a S&B Short Dot) or is the dot etched into the glass? Is the 1X setting a true 1X setting like the Meopta 1-4x22 Kdot? What is the reticle brightness like compared to the Meopta Kdot?
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Chris Farris
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The Swarovski illuminated dot is not as bright as an Aimpoint. Aimpoint sights are primarily day optics or combat optics. Swarovski could make their dot that bright but it would be counter productive in a low light hunting scope because the reticle would cause your pupil to constrict, allowing less light from the scope itself to enter your eye. So you would be able to see the dot bright and clear but not the target. Illuminated reticles for low light hunting need to be just bright enough to see the point of impact. |
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