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pyro6999
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yeah something like that i like the 160gr at 5500fps better though, the barrel would have to be made of something special wouldnt it! other wise 2 shells and whoops shes burnt out
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6.5x50bfg not BMG for British Machine Gun but BFG for BIG F------ Gun
Now that's what I call a cartridge - is the barrel Scandium? I can see it now130 gr slug at 6000fps.
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Dale.....what first thing?
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Dale Clifford
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jeez I forgot-- memory is the second thing to go you know........
is it the memory of the first thing??????
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pyro6999
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its coming around the problem is that with exception to the 7mm mag metric calibers havent done well in the usa, course on the other side of the pond the 6.5mms run rampant. its slowly catching on and people are starting to see the benefits of the 6.5mms light recoil and good terminal performance. i love em, the .260 would be a great choice for my next rifle. easy to handload for and very user friendly for kids and women as well, and since i really like the rem cdl
focus are you kidding me the .280 is as much 30-06 case as the rest of the offspring in that family shoulder is just setback different so it wont chamber up in a 30-06 and so a 270 wont chamber in either.
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True Ted, the 260 is loosing chamberings not gaining them, it will always struggle in the 7mm-08's shadow.
Come on Pyro, I got a couple of them 284 stretchers here, you bolt the brass in and hook it to any suitable SUV. Some you gotta trim if the SUV gets a good bite....:>) I like the 6.5's but not many share that love in the shooting world. Maybe it wasn't jack.......maybe it was elmer keith.......memory is the second thing to go you know........ Focus |
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I agree, I love my 260, but it has seen nothing but hand loads, so hopefully the brass and bullets will always be available.
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RifleDude
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Off topic here, but I'm not so sure that the .260 would have been introduced as a standard factory chambering had it not been for somebody championing the cause. Although a group of hardcore gun nuts like us like it, and although it's an excellent, efficient cartridge, it hasn't exactly set the world on fire since its introduction. 6.5mm rounds in general have never really caught on here in the states compared to .270's and 7mm's. I'm not sure why, but look at the 6.5 Swede, the .264 WM, and 6.5 RM. Despite Remington's efforts to keep them alive, they've all been a bust here in the states. The firearms industry is just like any other business -- if something doesn't sell very well, they don't produce it, no matter how good it is. There aren't a huge variety of rifles chambered in .260. It may be way too early to tell, but I hope its future isn't a repeat of its other 6.5 siblings.
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pyro6999
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the .280 is not a .284 that has been stretched, the .280 is a 30-06 necked down to 7mm just like the 270 is a 30-06 neck down to 6.8mm and just like the 25-06 is necked down to .257
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Actually the 260 was jack o'conners illegitimate step child and jim C. gave it a bird name and rode the glory of creating it all the way to remingtons door step. It all started when jack started hanging around ackleys oldest daughter......:>) The 280....everybody knows thats a 284 thats been stretcheddddddd........
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I agree, but I believe that as you pointed out the gap is so small and in many cases, the cartridge essentially headspaces on both. I read all of your posts. I think we were both so caught up in trying to explain our points from different perspectives that until we hit that unifying post, we just could not understand each other. I completely understand your argument for why the belt is not needed and I agree. Like I said in that one post, I really want to see more cartridges designed from the inside, just as the guys did with the 5mm/35 SMc. Edited by Dolphin - January/11/2008 at 08:12 |
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How can you guys keep all thwt info in your heads? I'm still trying to wrap my brain around some of this stuff. I prefer to use once fired brass and keep it for the rifle it was fired from. That's enough to keep my brain frazzled as it is........... You guys ROCK.........
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Thanks for the info rifledude. Your posts made more sense than the others.
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pyro6999
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ok you caught me there T, but if you really look at it i wasnt really involved with this thread much until the end, i was trying to stay out of it for fear of looking and that didnt work as is evident by my posts of ignorance and lack of hard core proof of anything other than i am hard header and a damn good fire man ( fireman resist change, tradition is the hardest thing to change in the fire service) and i dont think you will ever see me without belted rifles.
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tahqua
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That's bull, P, you just love a 19 page circle jerk
Edited by tahqua - January/10/2008 at 21:20 |
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pyro6999
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i just hope nobody punches me in the face for being a sh*t head on this thread, i have enjoyed all the lessons being taught and i did learn some things that i didnt know so thanks to all for this thread, i know some got mad some didnt some are totally confused some dont care. but all in all i think it was great.
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Yes, it probably would have happened anyway, one way or another, but just like technologies learned from racing ends up being used on passenger cars, concepts from competitive shooting also ends up being used for hunting rifles and cartridges. None of the manufacturers will make anything, no matter how good, if they don't think it will sell.
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Ted
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pyro6999
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just like swagging a belt on a 30-06 to make a 240 wby this was all a marketing ploy either way you look at it, and if they think people will buy it, why not make it, whether it was intended to be a target round or not you cannot tell me that every other 308 based round hasnt been turned into a hunting cartridge if it wasnt already, it was just a matter of time, i have the 7th ed hornady i know what it says, and im not discrediting anyone, i just think its no fluke that its been very well accepted as a hunting round, being based off the .308 you had to know it was only a matter of time.
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RifleDude
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These comments tell me that I evidently did a poor job of trying to explain this in numerous previous posts, repeatedly, in several different ways. Did you not read my posts, or did you just scan over my comments and pick out only the parts of my "exact points" that you could then take out of context? I thought I clearly answered your concern about this gap in front of the belt. It isn't an issue, and there is no "danger" whatsoever with resizing so the case headspaces on the shoulder. It's been done for decades by countless shooters, with many different cases. It's nothing new.
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Ted
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RifleDude
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So, then, since you understand and are now in agreement with me, you now agree that headspacing on the shoulder is superior to headspacing on a belt and that the practice is not "dangerous," right? Then, it logically stands to reason that the belt is an unnecessary feature, correct? Edited by RifleDude - January/10/2008 at 18:02 |
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Ted
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