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pyro6999
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there is a big difference between the H&H and the ultra, and depending on what bullets he used makes a big difference. if you use a standard big game bullet out of the .375H&H you can shoot a deer any where you want and you will do less damage than anybody would with their .270win. now if your friend had loaded up some 180gr speer hot core's at max load i could see that happening. otherwise with a good sturdy 250gr+ bullet that wont happen. Edited by pyro6999 - March/23/2009 at 09:06 |
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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Kickboxer
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Info below came from an article by Rick Jamison in Peterson's Hunting. Since I have a .375 H&H now, thought it would be good to do some research on it. You could, of course, substitute. 458 everywhere .375 appears....
Is it really for North American game?
.375 H&H Magnum
Rick Jamison "While it can be argued that you do not need a .375 for North American game, the arguments for not using one do not always hold water either.
Perhaps the most-used argument is that the cartridge is overkill. This is a term I have never fully understood. What is killing something too dead? The subject of excessive meat damage usually comes up in this discussion as well. As experienced .375 shooters know, the big bullets really do not destroy any more meat than their 7mm or .30 caliber counterparts. In fact, a fast-stepping smaller bullet that expands violently can sometimes produce far more tissue damage than a bullet which expands in a controlled fashion. Top muzzle velocity for a 300-grain bullet from a .375 H&H might be 2,570 fps, considerably slower than most .30 caliber magnums with their lighter bullets. Plus, most of the big .375 bullets are designed for very large game where controlled expansion and deep penetration are needed. For these reasons a standard .375 bullet does not usually produce a lot of meat damage on smaller game such as deer or pronghorn. At the same time, the bullet has everything needed for an elk, brown bear or moose. Another argument for not using the .375 on North American game is recoil. There is no doubt that big bullets going fast produce a lot of recoil. The fact is that any cartridge suitable for elk-size game is going to kick. If you intend to hunt Cape buffalo or brown bear, you are going to have to use a gun that kicks. There's no way around it. The question becomes how much recoil can you handle? While the kick of a .375 is substantial, it is not unmanageable for a lot of shooters. One way to reduce recoil is to use loads with lighter bullets--such as the 210-grain Barnes I mentioned--while using less than a maximum powder charge. Used in a rifle with a well-fitting stock, good recoil pad or muzzle brake, the .375 becomes much less intimidating. By the way, the Barnes loading manual specifically recommends the 210-grain X-Bullet for pronghorn, deer and sheep. Sounds like North American game to me. In the end, it all boils down to what you want to use. There are a great many cartridges available. Some are faster, some have bigger bullets, some have bigger cases. We could eliminate most of them and still use the remainder to have successful hunts. But part of the enjoyment is in picking the perfect round, using something different, something with power, something that will get the job done without any question. Something like a .375 H&H." The entire article is at:
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300S&W
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ALWAYS did like his line of thinking:
"In the end, it all boils down to what you want to use. There are a great many cartridges available. Some are faster, some have bigger bullets, some have bigger cases. We could eliminate most of them and still use the remainder to have successful hunts. But part of the enjoyment is in picking the perfect round, using something different, something with power, something that will get the job done without any question. Something like a .375 H&H."
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Urimaginaryfrnd
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News flash - if you are worried about meat loss shoot them in the head or neck - the up side is there wont be a blood trail to follow.
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300S&W
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HEY. NOTHING bad about a GOOD neck roast.
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Ed Connelly
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If you are worried about meat loss...............go to Safeway.
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stickbow46
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The ultimate white tail bullet,700 nitro jhp,shot from 50 yds.No gutting ,dragging or baging,just start up a fire & scrape the trees [:}
But if you decide to have friends over,use grape shot instead of nitro,they can scrape their own tree!
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saitotiktmdog
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Shoot what you want with what you want, as long as its legal.
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Wow, this thread is still going? I ended up getting a 300 win mag last winter....haven't shot anything with yet though....
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Steelbenz
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I was thinking the same thing, not to much longer to wait though!
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pyro6999
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i bought a new .300wby in january, im in the same boat as you, have yet to shoot it, but thats going to change soon. |
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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead" 343 we will never forget God Bless Chris Ledoux "good ride cowboy" |
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300S&W
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Been shooting my 9.3 lately. Got it ready to. Tell ya what. That Vortex Versa-Plex C3 reticle is the cats meow. Sure hope Vortex doesn't drop it. One new benefit I've found with it is that it definietly steadies you on a small target at a distance (2x @ 100yds for ex.).
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