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koshkin
MODERATOR Dark Lord of Optics Joined: June/15/2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13181 |
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More magnification is not always a good thing. If you magnify a blurry mess, you get a larger blurry mess.
As far as looking at bullet holes goes, if you need to do that, get a spotter. On target distance engagement: how far you can shoot with whatever magnification you have in mind depends on the size of the target, quality of the riflescope and magnification. Of those three magnification plays last fiddle, so to speak. For example, shooting at steel plates of around 18" in size, 4x magnification is perfectly sufficient for my purposes. 6x is a touch easier as is 10x, but that does not make nearly as much as you think. Unless you do varminting or shooting at other small targets, 6x in a decent scope will do everything you need with ease. ILya
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darb
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Check out the weaver classic 6x24-50mm
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Cold Trigger Finger
Optics Apprentice Joined: December/20/2013 Location: Int.Alaska Status: Offline Points: 209 |
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The fixed power does not limit you. !!!!!
I've had a SS 10 md on my 6.5 Creedmoor for about 8 month. I wanted the fixed 6× md. But the 10× has been working fine. I will put the fixed 6x SS on the rifle but will keep the 10× I've gobbled up lots of 250-300$ scopes on my rifles but all the 10× SS does is work great. I've killed small Sitka Blacktail forked horn bucks out to 525 yards with rifles in 338 Win Mag and 375 HandH. The highest I set the scope was 6x and the farthest was with a fixed 3× 20 Leupold on the 375. Everyone thinks you need high power variable scopes to hunt with. But I can garrentee u more game shots are lost because the scope was cranked up to some high power. With the quality of the 6×SS glass and coatings and its features and total reliability. You can concentrate on learning the scope, your rifle and shooting. If u want a variable in your price range. Trythe Vortex 1-6 Strike Eagle. If your hunting pigs u probably won't be shooting at many of them at over 300 yards and any good 4x will handle that. No problem. The fixed 6x SS will give plenty of fov for hogs down to 30' . If you go with a cheap scope you will end up regretting it. Go for quality/reliability and learn to use it. |
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nksmfamjp
Optics Apprentice Joined: January/06/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 117 |
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Frankly, I would come up with a clear what you want list first:
- low magnification range - high magnification minimum - weight - form factor - i.e. basic size - BDC, Turn turrets or Max Point Blank Range methods - durability factor - safe queen, range, hunting, field sniper, dropping it out of a helicopter(or flight of concrete stairs might happen) - Optical clarity - daytime (not into sun), hunting (dawn to dusk), night use, in a dark building w/o light - Price If you want turrets that you turn when setting up the shot, $300 is a minimum price on the scope. . .and that is a fixed power SS. If you want FFP, that is like $600 min. If you want both and you want it in a decent scope, that is about $1200 min. Now, can you compromise some? A 3-15x with a BDC to 600 yds can be had for about $430 and it will be a decent scope. Check out the Nikon Monarch 3 line with a BDC.
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rash_powder
Optics GrassHopper Joined: November/07/2011 Location: Larimore, ND Status: Offline Points: 13 |
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I saw a guy on tv once (yes, i know, on tv) shoot something on the order of a mile with an 1890 trap door springfield; he used iron sights and a small bubble level. Put 3 in a row in an 18 inch gong in a life size buffalo silouhette (gong was kill zone). Wish I could remember the show or the guy, but that is gone a long time ago. Probably Guns and Ammo or something like that.
How far you can shoot with a given magnification is up to you. I can't hold 10x steady enough to use. My deer AR has a 14x on it that is used only for spotting, most of my hunting is at 4x, and I really wish I had a 2.5-10. I can tell you the SS line will hold. The 10x I have on my RWS 350 Magnum air rifle has held for easily 500 rounds (not a lot of shooting by any means, but enough to verify it will survive). Air rifles have a double recoile - rearward when you shoot and the piston flies forward, and a second forward recoil when the piston slams home. The literally will rip inferior scopes to pieces internally. It is now happily on my Mod 48 and still doing well. It will be replaced with a 6x as soon as possible. For my hunting guns, we have never worried about hold overs. We don't really shoot past 200 yards, and that is a long one. So we play the ballistics of the round in our favor. Usually about 2" high at 100 yds gives you the ability to hold dead on all the way to 2xx yds and not have the bullet exceed +/-5" (i think thats what it worked out to, been a while since i had to set up a scope). You want to shoot further, so you need some sort of tick marks for hold overs. OR, twist turrets and remember how much you turn. I'm on a tight budget too, and trying to convince myself I don't need half of what I think I do. An SS will do you well. A duplex reticle will too. I used to shoot gophers at multiple ranges, out to hearing the plop of impact after the rifle report with a duplex reticle. My recommendation, being far from expert or anything appreciable, get yourself a low to mid zoom with a standard duplex reticle and learn the scope/rifle combo OR a SS with the tick marks and learn the combo. Play the ballistics of the round you use in your favor. All the math and hold overs are fine and well until you have two seconds on dinner. Its much easier to aim for the kill zone and let one go. Matt
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simpkinst
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I don't mean to hijack this thread, but need to ask. how does the SS 1-4x24 match up against the Mark AR MOD1? Like the firedot - but like the SS reticle even better. |
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koshkin
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The Firedot on the Leupold is a nice feature and if you must have day bright illumination, it is the cheapest available scope out there with day illumination.
In all other ways, I think the SSDM is a better scope: true 1x on the low end, more flexible reticle, wider FOV, etc. ILya
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simpkinst
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Thanks for the info. Does the SS have better glass than that Luepy? |
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Magnumdood
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Once you have been shooting a while and peruse sites such as this one, in which ILya often contributes to discussions, you will come to realize that it is not at all uncommon for an optic to cost twice as much as the rifle it is mounted on. More than anything else in sport shooting, or LE & Military shooting applications, with regard to optics, you get what you pay for. I know you simply don't have the money to drop $1K on a scope right now. Been there, done that, have multiple T-shirts. I was class of 1982 at Texas A&M University. I didn't have a deer rifle or scope. I had to borrow from my buddy who chose to go to work rather than go to college. Flash forward 33 years: Right now I have two Hensoldts that are on the two rifles I use the most. I have a hard time imagining any scope topping the Hensoldt in any facet of optics - reliability, consistency, hold zero, return to zero and last but certainly not least, optical performance. I paid dearly for those two scopes and neither has disappointed me. I also have a couple of Leupold VX 2 1-4x20 scopes on Turkey Shotguns. Other than that I have a smattering of cheap scopes in a box in the event I find a use for them other than as an aiming device for a rifle.
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hatton mann
Optics Apprentice Joined: March/02/2011 Location: ne Status: Offline Points: 179 |
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Regarding Primary Arms.
Cruising the interest net; peeps are generally complimentary regarding their customer service. I took a look at at their 1-6 tactical scope. It seems to have a simple (for me that's a good thing) effective ranging reticle. Ultimately, I decided against it. As Ilya has said, scopes at this price point either work (kind of a big if) or they don't. If you have problems , it seems PA will respond. And , has been said re: optics, you will get what you pay for. I decided that a $250 Chine' scope was not what I wanted to trudge through the Zombiee Apocolypse with. Edited by hatton mann - October/30/2015 at 23:53 |
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